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The latest build is once again hitting the spec hard with nerfs while still not adjusting the core issues with the spec.
Ret has a history of being nerfed to the ground in alpha/beta then going into live being unplayable then getting some adjustments later.
Why is blizzard against ret's being good?
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2020-07-08, 04:39 PM #1High Overlord
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Ret getting nerfed hard again in alpha while not addressing gameplay issues.
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2020-07-08, 06:54 PM #2Pit Lord
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Don't worry, it's only alpha, they'll fix it - just like every other expansion clearly proved!
Originally Posted by kebabmasterxd
...Now with that mandatory, sorry excuse out of the way: Yeah, I'm not expecting much.
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2020-07-08, 07:01 PM #3Warchief
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blizz hates ret
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2020-07-08, 07:02 PM #4Field Marshal
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They literally said that tuning is the last thing they do in the alpha/beta cycle. There will be many more numbers passes before this hits live servers.
Just curious - what gameplay issues do you have with Ret on alpha?
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2020-07-08, 07:36 PM #5High Overlord
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It's not just about the numbers. Originally Posted by Zarithras
The gameplay of ret has been BAD for a very long time now, it was nerfed at the start of BFA and really slowed the spec down. Early shadowlands alpha they also nerfed Blade of justice again to 12 second cooldown from 10.5 this again slowing the spec down further while it was already slow.
I was really hoping they would make the spec feel alot better, all paladin abilities deal very little damage and 1 ability does ALL the damage, my crusader strike deals less damage then my auto attack.
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2020-07-08, 08:27 PM #6Pit Lord
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This is something I've felt very annoyed by in BFA. Deals less damage - but has a cooldown. Originally Posted by kebabmasterxd
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2020-07-09, 04:59 AM #7Epic!
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I miss Zeal from Legion. Cleaving CS and hit like a truck. Dunno why it was replaced. Also still not a fan of fenagling about with Execution Sentence, Seraphim and Inquisition. Chances are there will be builds centered around using all 3 talents and I have only ever enjoyed ES when it didn't cost anything. Never liked Seraphim or Inquisition. but that's just my opinion so RIP.
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2020-07-09, 05:17 AM #8Herald of the Titans
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They literally say that in every alpha/beta/patch cycle. It literally never happens. People like you literally always quote them as saying that, despite the fact that it never happens. Originally Posted by Zarithras
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2020-07-09, 01:17 PM #9Field Marshal
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I think you're confusing what I'm saying. I'm not arguing that they'll make changes to the gameplay. I'm arguing that they'll balance and tune all classes/specs before launch. Numerical balance isn't the source of contention with past expansions. It's gameplay. For example, they stated a rework for Shadow and Enhancement going into BfA, but never got around to it. Originally Posted by Delekii
I agree they literally always say they'll fix classes during each alpha/beta/patch cycle, but they don't.
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2020-07-09, 02:14 PM #10Herald of the Titans
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Yes.. and I'm arguing that despite them "balancing and tuning", the balance and tuning on launch is universally and monumentally shit most of the time. Sometimes it gets a little better as the raid releases, sometimes and for some content it stays functionally broken permanently. Originally Posted by Zarithras
Relying on Blizzard to "balance" something as a fix for a problem you have is a serious gamble, frequently unlikely to payout in your favour.
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2020-07-09, 03:35 PM #11Warchief
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yesterday on the stream ion even said when beta starts everything is feature complete and they will just do number tunings and beta starts next week meaning ret pala will get no major reworks besides some number changes
them talking about "Seraphim + Inquisition is uncomfortable, we agree" more than 2 months ago and still no follow up just shows they either dont care, or dont have time to do anything about it and will leave it as is, they will probably solve it by nerfing one hard and buffing the other
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2020-07-09, 03:41 PM #12Banned
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as someone who has played it, it actually feels really fun, so idk what they did to it, maybe you are missing something, but its felt pretty quick, and only in torghast with insane builds have i found myself feeling slow, simply because of having like too much stuff to the point it slows. Originally Posted by kebabmasterxd
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"Feature complete" does not mean anything for classes, there is many class reworks still coming "feature complete" means the systems. Originally Posted by apelsinjuice
he said nothing about "just do number tunings" stop putting words in his mouth.
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2020-07-09, 03:41 PM #13Scarab Lord
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They also said that Blessing of seasons will get changes in the following weeks so i'm not sure "feature complete" means what people think it means. It just means all systems and zones are in place. Originally Posted by apelsinjuice
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2020-07-09, 07:30 PM #14High Overlord
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That is not what feature-complete means. Feature complete means that all major features have their framework in place and ready for heavy testing. That does not mean that any class is finished. Originally Posted by apelsinjuice
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2020-07-09, 07:43 PM #15Pandaren Monk
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But not as much as they (and the playerbase) hates shadow. Originally Posted by apelsinjuice
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2020-07-09, 07:46 PM #16The Unstoppable Force
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They nerfed the cd because hammer is back? Still a net gain. Originally Posted by kebabmasterxd
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2020-07-10, 02:55 PM #17The Lightbringer
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I expect change sometime during 9.1 or 9.2 tbh.
Originally Posted by A Chozo
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2020-07-10, 03:03 PM #18Legendary!
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This is an effect of auto attack being significantly buffed in Legion. Think of auto attack as separate from the rest of the damage sources. Originally Posted by Sigxy
I do agree it's a bit annoying that TV does all of the damage and would prefer it to be redistributed a bit, but I don't think auto attack > crusader strike has anything to do with it. More of an issue with generator/spender specs in general.
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2020-07-11, 03:20 PM #19The Lightbringer
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how is it possible to nerf something thats already under performing? whats next Windwalker nerfs as well?
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2020-07-11, 03:29 PM #20Pandaren Monk
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I think the spec basically plays fine on live other than being too reliant on wings (and numbers-wise it is on the low side), but utility is still the big problem. I feel like word of glory was one of the major tools ret brings to m+, and being nerfed to one target is a big kick in the mivonks.
Like, high-end groups already don't bring ret mostly for utility reasons (no buffs/debuffs, no shroud, poor CC, no tricks, etc) so this is extra annoying. getting BoSac back will be nice for raids but Blessing of the Seasons being incredibly broken and degenerate seems like the only reason for ret to even have a raid spot, let alone an m+ spot.
(https://mplus.subcreation.net/ - ret is C-tier this week, which is higher than normal!)
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