Vanilla or Classic was not hard, it was tedious. Use the right word. Period.
Vanilla or Classic was not hard, it was tedious. Use the right word. Period.
This thread is being re-made every single time someone feels insecure about their actual gaming skills and feels the need to prove why they don't suck at it.
Classic is a joke difficulty wise. I'm not saying you can't enjoy it for what it is but it's the least difficult version of WoW ever to exist.
You can make up all the useless argument how X is more time consuming so it means it's difficult, nobody gives a shit. It's not difficult.
No matter how you "define" difficult, it just isn't.
Let's say you needed a ring with a special effect on every single raid member to be able to kill N'zoth, but the ring only had like 0.1% drop rate from critters on Mechagon.
Would it make it more difficult?
I'm pretty sure some lunatic would label this as difficulty.
In reality, it's piss easy and if you even fail at that level of easy content while playing a class that only requires you to press 1 button as a rotation then you are a horrible player period. Fact.
Progressing through mythic raids on retail is MUCH harder then anything you can do in classic.
The fact that a bunch of fire mages with bis gear can stroll through it is an end of expansion gimmick. its not comparable
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Your post doesnt make any sense. Try again
New quests, new rewards for some existing quests, more xp (including GREATLY increased dungeon xp) for kills and quests, more currency rewards, improved rested xp, nerfed mobs, new flight paths. I'm probably forgetting something ofc, so that's just what comes to mind initially.
Let's not lie to this forum - you've never played vanilla.
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HAHA because i cant remember what happened more then 10 years ago?
Thats pathetic.
THe fact that you act like you literally remember these things Jesus chris.
"LEVELING WAS 2000 million times faster in classic! Vanilla was much tougher man!"
Get over it. Its laughable
Vanilla difficulty came from the following
-MMO genre being new and most players being new..not knowing what to do
-The last 2 raids barely anyone saw
-THEN one of them went away so there's that feeling of mystery for the people who started in Wrath...and a huge chunk of vanilla players who never saw original naxx and WoTLK Naxx being cleared day one by a bunch of level 78s in T6
add in that perpetual list of how long it took a raid to clear with C'thun topping said list (cause it was bugged), Atiesh and Corrupted Ashbringer being lost to time, etc etc....and you get a full blown legend on Vanilla being top tier difficult raid
Patch 1.12 and kungen syas hi - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EceXu5rX...png&name=large
So in fact things have changed so that classic is NOT Vanilla and shares no denominator with it besides the bosses in there, the talent trees and the loot makes it a faceroll for anyonw who was there in actual Vanilla. Back in the day, it took days before the secrets of how to beat bosses, were spread out by world first guilds, it took days and sometimes weeks before strategies were shared. He'll no one back then used stacking besides cutting edge, and fotm specs were non abundant, today anyone can spend an hour and they'll know everything they need to before going into raid xx incl. specs strategies, hell even BIS lists are an abundant. Back in the day we used our own spreadsheets to calculate wether or not an item was an upgrade....
So TLDR - Classic is NOT vanilla, and can never be compared to it as the content is old as dirt, and have been beaten gazillions of times allready, and there are no secrets to discover anymore, you can learn all you need to know in a hour by searching the web.
Last edited by Fathr; 2020-07-09 at 12:14 PM.
Is there not a time limit? Then yes. It would just take a long fucking time. Even a fatty fuck could do it eventually. And as another poster pointed out, we're not exactly talking about a physical activity here.
If anything, this would be about as difficult as marathon watching a TV series or some shit. Or worst case if you find the game extremely boring then watching paint dry. Boring as fuck? Yes. Difficult? No.
Last edited by TrollHunter3000; 2020-07-09 at 12:17 PM.
"Hey guys, Classic is difficult. I mean, granted the only way to make the fights difficult was to make fights require a specific set of gear that you'd literally only use for that fight in the entire game but ITS STILL HARD WHY DONT YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?!"
"Nah fam, retail is super easy. All you need is the gear and then all the mechanics magically disappear. I mean look at Dark Inquisitor Xanesh, you can easily outgear that fight and not have to worry about perfectly executing the orbs, never miss an interrupt, and you can just stand in all the dark zones."
"Why of course the people don't want war…. But, after all… it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
Not as significant as you think.
There are a large number of things that were fixed or nerfed that made players weaker as time went on as well. I'll give you one example of many:
Improved Sunder Armor used to increase the effectiveness of Sunder Armor by 30% instead of the current 3 rage reduction. That’s just a single change, it’s significant and no one ever mentions it and other changes like it in any of the topics about how much easier 1.12 is.
What kind of bullshit thread is this. There is no time investment in classic unless your argument is “it takes me longer to get to max lvl so raiding is harder”.
Once you hit max lvl in classic, you are ready to raid. Step into MC, 45 minutes later you’ve completed your first raid. In live there is sooooo much shit to get ready before you can step into the raids. One of the biggest complaints you see on the forums is how people are begin for the return of just gear as character building in the contrast of so many systems you have to go through.
Just accept that you are wrong. You can’t make an argument about classic raiding being harder where your only supporting factor is leveling takes longer.
Originally Posted by Ruargh
I can't say I've ever seen anyone say classic raids were mechanically difficult. Classic raids were only hard because you had to deal with 40 personalities dealing with eachother for X amount of hours each week and trying to execute a strategy together, and that people we're just generally really, really bad at the game and didnt understand it.
Current LFR is a nightmarish hellscape of wiping. Unless at least half your group has AOTC or equivalent/greater levels of experience and gear you're in for at least 4 or 5 wipes on N'zoth.
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Naxx came out in patch 1.11. The gear changed in patch 1.10. AQ40 gear was never changed. So you're gonna retract everything you said when Naxx gets cleared an hour after launch, right? What's gonna be your excuse then?