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This is a disgusting use of power. Makes you wonder what he had on Trump to get this.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/10/polit...ncy/index.html
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Thread: Ugh. Tumps commutes Roger Stone
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2020-07-11, 07:04 AM #1Pit Lord
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Ugh. Trump commutes Roger Stone
Last edited by smityx; 2020-07-11 at 07:21 AM.
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2020-07-11, 08:05 AM #2The Lightbringer
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It would appear that after centuries of just giving themselves more power because they are the ones who create power the executive (and legislative) branch of government may need reform.
Tonight for me is a special day. I want to go outside of the house of the girl I like with a gasoline barrel and write her name on the road and set it on fire and tell her to get out too see it (is this illegal)?
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2020-07-11, 11:22 AM #3The Unstoppable Force
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I actually do not have a problem with this yes it is corrupt but well within his powers and that of other presidents. I am more disturbed by the Michael Flynn case where he used the justice department so he wouldn't have to pardon him. The power of the executive has been rampant for decades ever growing, here's hoping Trump screwed the pooch and it starts to get reeled in after him.
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2020-07-11, 11:45 AM #4Merely a Setback
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Anyone surprised by this? LOL
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2020-07-11, 12:00 PM #5Banned
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I'm not surprised every president pardons scumbags.
Originally Posted by Slant
https://www.justice.gov/pardon/obama-pardons
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2020-07-11, 12:17 PM #6Void Lord
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Trump commuted the sentence because Covid is too dangerous, while demanding children go back to school. Originally Posted by lockedout
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I didn’t think he would use covid as the reason... he finally recognized it as a threat... to Stone... Originally Posted by Slant
Both, Manafort and now Stone, are out of prison, because of covid... but, America must open up...Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
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2020-07-11, 12:23 PM #7The Unstoppable Force
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In your opinion. legally, they have the authority to do so. So he is acting lawfully, according to the authority the Constitution grants him. Only way that is corrupt is Congress's failure to change the authority they have given to our Presidents. Originally Posted by smityx
" If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.." - Abraham Lincoln
“ The Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to - prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..” - Samuel Adams
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2020-07-11, 12:26 PM #8Titan
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Who do you think he was talking for? President of Uruguay? Originally Posted by Ghostpanther
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2020-07-11, 12:26 PM #9Void Lord
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Not the fact that Trump and DeVos spent yesterday demanding children go back to school, but covid is too dangerous for Manafort and Stone? Trump is using a “hoax” virus to free his friends that are in jail over the Russian “hoax”. Complicit... Originally Posted by Ghostpanther
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2020-07-11, 12:34 PM #10The Unstoppable Force
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Doesn't matter. The President has that degree of authority. Not the only President who has pardoned someone many felt never should have been. It is kind like thinking a Judge or Jury is corrupt on finding a person guilty or not guilty, based on your own personal opinion. In that case, tough shit. Doesn't change the fact by the law, they are free to go. Originally Posted by Wilian
Write your congress member and demand Presidential pardon reform." If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.." - Abraham Lincoln
“ The Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to - prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..” - Samuel Adams
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2020-07-11, 12:45 PM #11The Lightbringer
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The subject is interesting beyond Cheeto bad (because Cheeto is bad but not directly relevant here).
Aside from the general question of if there should be some actual regulation and oversight of people in office not created, mediated and controlled by people in office (which there should be). Or why the group of land-owning billionaires gave the legislative and executive arms of government (that could only be held by landowning billionaires) disproportional power to the judicial arm.
Does the good investing in one person the ability to pardon someone who has potentially been prosecuted under an unjust (but legal) law. Outweigh the potential harm of the one person also unjustly issuing pardons?Tonight for me is a special day. I want to go outside of the house of the girl I like with a gasoline barrel and write her name on the road and set it on fire and tell her to get out too see it (is this illegal)?
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2020-07-11, 12:47 PM #12Titan
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It does matter because he was expressing his opinion on the matter, not whetever it was legal or not. You made the error first in trying to shift the discussion to legality when it was of opinion and now you doubly failed when you try to explain it to me. Originally Posted by Ghostpanther
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2020-07-11, 12:48 PM #13The Lightbringer
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That takes too long. We can just vote the corrupt moron out in a few months a lot easier. Problem solved. Originally Posted by Ghostpanther
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2020-07-11, 12:54 PM #14The Unstoppable Force
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It's your opinion it matters. And really, our opinion on any subject on this forum, in reality does not matter to the extent of any real changes happening. Real change happens from actions. If enough of US citizens are pissed about it, then they should petition Congress and ask for reform. Or more realistically of actually making a change, get out and vote. Originally Posted by Wilian
But of course, you are free to express your opinions.
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There you go. Originally Posted by Redwyrm
" If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.." - Abraham Lincoln
“ The Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to - prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..” - Samuel Adams
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2020-07-11, 12:54 PM #15Titan
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Did you take class at corporate PR? That's a lot of words to say nothing Originally Posted by Ghostpanther
It's your opinion it matters. And really, our opinion on any subject on this forum, in reality does not matter to the extent of any real changes happening. Real change happens from actions. If enough of US citizens are pissed about it, then they should petition Congress and ask for reform. Or more realistically of actually making a change, get out and vote.
But of course, you are free to express your opinions.Modern gaming apologist: I once tasted diarrhea so shit is fine.
"People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an excercise of power, are barbarians" - George Lucas 1988
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2020-07-11, 12:55 PM #16Legendary!
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The president is pardoning the criminals he employed. Not even Nixon did this shit in broad daylight. Originally Posted by Ghostpanther
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2020-07-11, 12:56 PM #17Merely a Setback
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Unless you're a foreign national studying at US universities. If those universities only offer online courses next semester, those student are asked to leave the country. Originally Posted by Felya
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2020-07-11, 12:58 PM #18The Unstoppable Force
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Getting personal can sometimes be the result of failing to get the response one wants from another, or a lack of actually having a good point. Originally Posted by Wilian
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His Vice President pardoned his former boss. Originally Posted by Hextor
" If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.." - Abraham Lincoln
“ The Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to - prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..” - Samuel Adams
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2020-07-11, 01:04 PM #19The Lightbringer
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Because the Presidential pardon has never been misused at all ever in the history of the country before the Cheeto. Originally Posted by Redwyrm
Tonight for me is a special day. I want to go outside of the house of the girl I like with a gasoline barrel and write her name on the road and set it on fire and tell her to get out too see it (is this illegal)?
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2020-07-11, 01:16 PM #20Void Lord
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This is only a relevant point, if you own a time machine. Otherwise, this is the chewbacca defense... Originally Posted by Saltysquidoon
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Why aren’t you claiming that this is part of the Russian hoax? Why aren’t you downplaying covid? You are acting as if we don’t know why Stone was released. According to Trump’s White House, it’s because COVID is a major threat. You know... the opposite of what Trump claims for American people. Releasing him from serving time, for conspiring against the US, which is also a hoax according to Trump. Strange... Pence can’t pardon when Trump appoints Barr to skirt any conviction... Originally Posted by Ghostpanther
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
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