Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Hinastorm]

Yup and the bigger the issue down the road the longer we delay it.

i think all these eviction limitations helpped delay the next round of help. They could have easly just extended unemployment and capped it at 100% of pre covid earnings.

They will never get something done by july 26th. Any $$ will be at least sept-oct before it arives in mass

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Damn sell out!!
Deep state got to Trump, vote him out!!!


/s

They aren't even in session until the 20th. They might figure something out, but ya, I highly doubt they will work quick enough for unemployment payments not to lapse.

10 million+ people suddenly losing 2400 a month. During a really bad surge in the virus. Seems good.

[Breccia]

Seconds after this he says "We're gonna have to--get to vote for Donald Don [sic] Trump".

"We can't *cough* use mail-in votes *cough* there's no telling *cough* what *cough hack cough* problems that could cause!"

[Thereturn]

So how do we all feel that all the alleged and convicted russiagate people are now free?

Also holy shit @Breccia.. 5000 posts and counting on this thread. Thats a consistent 5 posts a day every day for 3 years. Not sure wether i should clap or pity.
[Infraction]

[Gorsameth]

So how do we all feel that all the alleged and convicted russiagate people are now free?

Also holy shit @Breccia.. 5000 posts and counting on this thread. Thats a consistent 5 posts a day every day for 3 years. Not sure wether i should clap or pity.

The US is a banana republic. But we all kinda knew that already.

[Odinfrost]

So how do we all feel that all the alleged and convicted russiagate people are now free?

Also holy shit @Breccia.. 5000 posts and counting on this thread. Thats a consistent 5 posts a day every day for 3 years. Not sure wether i should clap or pity.

Because, we could all just say "Trump is a moron!" followed by 10 or so links about whatever stupid shit Trump had done that day, once a day, and the message would be the same just without the charm.

Instead we get witty commentary, silly remarks, great highlights of what has been linked, Sir Hyb R. Bole (the "voice in breccia's head" character) fail having a point and grants us a smile with the personality coming from in between the bleak links to reality.

The alternative would be that we just do stuff like: Annoying Orange yells at clouds or Trump calling more right wing politicians for RINO's because they disagree with him... GOD FUCKING DAMMIT, TRUMP!

[Felya]

Also holy shit @Breccia.. 5000 posts and counting on this thread. Thats a consistent 5 posts a day every day for 3 years. Not sure wether i should clap or pity.

Clap... the dude is more informative than a lot of the news...

So how do we all feel that all the alleged and convicted russiagate people are now free?

I think it combines two Trump hoaxes into one. He freed a guy who was convicted in the Russian hoax, because jail is too dangerous due to the covid hoax.

Literally, covid too dangerous for Manafort and Stone to be in jail, while Trump is demanding children go back to school.

[Moralgy]

I mean I'm happy he started to wear a mask so the sheep that follow him will start too, but fuck why can't he just be normal and start before the virus count hits millions.

[Breccia]

This Reuters article attempts to explain why Trump is pushing so hard for schools to re-open. Some of it we know -- it's part of Trump's attempt to reopen the economy, and it's easier to go back to work if the kids are in school. Makes sense, once you ignore the lethal virus outbreak part of the equation.

But the article also has this thought from some guy:

Parents absolutely want kids back in school, but it’s not a straightforward either-or dynamic. The concerns are many and varied. The president is casting about for a resonant issue he can latch onto that is overwhelmingly popular and gets him back in the game. This ain’t it.

The idea has merit. Trump is basically tweeting DO SOMETHING! to the schools, but providing neither funds, nor any other form of assistance, nor a plan to do so other than "open schools while I go golfing". He's actually threatened the opposite, withholding funds for schools that don't drop what they're doing and magically make Trump's whims into reality.

Not that teachers, or any other profession whose main role is to be educated, were going to back Trump anyhow, but the article also says

The president of the American Federation of Teachers, Randi Weingarten, warned last week that a full reopening of schools could lead to an exodus of educators.

Not only do I doubt the Defense Production Act (the meatpacking thing) can be used on teachers at all due to the nature of its text, but we've all seen the news for enough years to know that teachers absolutely will go on strike when they feel the need to do so. Teachers find themselves in a situation that nearly encourages such, through a mix of (1) being in control of a highly valuable commodity (2) communicate with each other routinely as part of normal operations (3) are criminally underpaid. Incidentally, I'd like to point out Trump has officially gone on public record saying teachers should be given guns more than PPE or other COVID-19 aid. If school shootings are enough of a problem that he wants to give me (no training and just north of 70 kilos) a gun in the classroom to defend my students and myself from harm or death, how is COVID-19, something which has objectively killed far more Americans, a problem for which he hasn't even thrown paper towels at me?

By the way, I'd like you to imagine what happens when you replace the people working all summer towards a safe hybrid or online experience with substitute teachers suddenly. Most of the complaints about the end of the school year were schools, school boards, and teachers suddenly having to go online -- months later, with the summer giving them time to prep, that issue will hopefully be lessened. What will replacing all that prepwork with untrained, in-person staff do? Simply put, in this matchup between teachers and Trump, teachers are holding a pair of aces and Trump has a two/seven offsuit. Someone who almost ran a casino effectively should know when to fold.

The above-quoted opinion holder at least has a point. Trump is losing ground by the day and has no record to run on. It is possible he's doing this simply to get back in the lead, in the usual Trump way: promising something yuge and bigly with no plan to make it happen and no means of paying for it either. But it's not in the cards.

For more on teachers, schools, and safe re-opening, this TheHill article gives more information, including that the average school district would need $1.8 million dollars for the required protections to safely re-open. Perhaps private schools can get that directly from their tuition, and they tend to have smaller student loads anyhow. But for those of you who've ever been to any school district budget meeting, ask what would happen if the vote was "Let's replace half our teachers in mid/late August and also we need several thousand dollars from everyone in the district right now".

[Felya]

I beg to differ.

I love the mix of ‘now Biden is finished’ to ‘wear masks in medical setting’... So... Trump is an idiot, who shouldn’t only worn a mask because he is a fucking leader, but also because it would help defeat Biden. So... why didn’t he do it sooner? Dumb? Dementia? Starving brain worms?

Oh... it’s not... ‘this will save lives’... it’s... ‘don’t mean to sound like a queer or nothing, but Trump looks bad ass in a mask’... it’s that level of ridiculous replies...

[D Luniz]

UPDATE: Earlier, I posted the above saying Cuomo was trolling DeSantis, who said he didn't want it. I found that hilarious.

But turns out, no, he was just being professional. Cuomo had talked directly to Florida's HHS People (right next to Florida's FFS People?) and they had accepted the offer -- just enough remdesivir to fill the gap until their federal delivery had arrived. Yeah...Florida's kind of running low for...some reason.

DeSantis, by the way, claims he has thousands of ventilators sitting idle. Hey @benggual how's the Florida death count? Does their death count scream "we have all the help we need, thanks" or not?

The only reason the ventilators are idle is that doctors have realized with COVID that letting the patient try to breathe on their own is better than putting them on one despite the low O₂ levels normally warranting its use.

DeSantis's dumb grasping at straws to claim "everything is fine" is gonna backfire by emboldening the "Flordia-man" base to continue helping spread this mess.

[Gorsameth]

By the way, I'd like you to imagine what happens when you replace the people working all summer towards a safe hybrid or online experience with substitute teachers suddenly. Most of the complaints about the end of the school year were schools, school boards, and teachers suddenly having to go online -- months later, with the summer giving them time to prep, that issue will hopefully be lessened. What will replacing all that prepwork with untrained, in-person staff do? Simply put, in this matchup between teachers and Trump, teachers are holding a pair of aces and Trump has a two/seven offsuit. Someone who almost ran a casino effectively should know when to fold.

Yeah but Trump managed to bankrupt his casino, which is an impressive feat in and of itself.
So obviously he doesn't know when to fold.

[SirBeef]

He bankrupted 4 casinos. 3 times over. Bankruptcy in 2004, 2009, and 2014.

Not to mention was the proponent of moving the USFL to the fall to compete against the NFL. His ego is so fragile that the big boys wouldn't let him join their club he ruined his own league. Sued The NFL for being a monopoly and won $1. Dude has been a terrible business owner his entire public life.

[Benggaul]

You sure it wasn’t Donald John Trump?

It's what he said the first time, but not after the coughing fit. He misspoke, for sure, but I was quoting accurately.

[Breccia]

So when images/quotes like this come up in social media, I tend to think "I don't know if XXX really said this, but it's a good statement regardless"



...nah, just kidding. He totally said it. Did you expect anything less from him at this point?

He's said, oh, "one or two" other things as well.

News of Donald Trump commuting Roger Stone's sentence proves what was obvious since the beginning. The pledge to "drain the swamp" was about as real as Trump University. Many will conclude Stone had a lot to say to implicate Trump, didn't say it, and was rewarded accordingly.

(replying to Trump) America wants to investigate YOUR tax-exempt status.

I remember when many people were pleading with the governor [Abbott] on masks and taking this virus seriously. This was entirely predictable. And predicted. History cannot be allowed to be rewritten.

(responding to Fauci “As a country, when you compare us to other countries, I don’t think you can say we’re doing great. I mean, we’re just not.” ) Ladies and gentlemen we have the understatement of the year.

Donald Trump’s twitter feed reads like a man who knows he is facing prosecution in New York.

Abracadabra, let there be school.

(No, I hadn't read this when I said Trump wanted schools to be open magically earlier today)

Withdrawing from the WHO in the middle of a pandemic is like... not having a punchline for one of the saddest “jokes” in human history.

Hey, I think President Trump is on to something with this idea of limiting COVID infections by not testing as much. Who knew the secret for staying forever young was as simple as not celebrating your birthday?

-- my favorite of the last week

There’s the cruelty...
And the divisiveness...
And the corruption...
And the racism...
And the lies...
And the countless other affronts to decency and integrity.
And then there’s also the sheer jaw-dropping and tragic incompetence.

-- that one seems custom-written for @Edge-

"But Breccia!"

Yes, Sir Bole?

"Rather is clearly a commie librul socialist traitor biased against Trump, just because he listens to things like 'facts' and 'reason'. Surely not everyone agrees that Trump is wrong for this country."

Funny you should say that. So today on FOX News--

"God dammit, every single time."

Fox News’s Chris Wallace pressed Education Secretary Betsy DeVos on Sunday on threats she and President Trump have made to withhold federal funding from schools that do not reopen in the fall amid the coronavirus pandemic.

Wallace questioned their “authority” to “unilaterally cut off” funding for schools that was allocated by Congress. He also challenged the secretary, asking whether reducing funds is “exactly the wrong answer” instead of funneling money to “make schools safer” through measures such as health checks.

“American investment is a promise to students and their families,” DeVos responded on "Fox News Sunday." “If schools aren’t going to reopen and fulfill that promise, they shouldn’t get the funds. Then give it to the families to decide to go to a school that is going to meet that promise.”

Wallace disputed DeVos’s comments on withholding funding, saying, “Well, you can’t do that.”

“I know you support vouchers, and that’s a reasonable argument, but you can’t do that unilaterally,” he added. “You have to do that through Congress.”

DeVos answered by saying the administration is “looking at all the options.”

"Okay okay fine, so one or two media people take issue with Trump and his COVID-19 actions. But is that really something for the Fake News enemy of the people to decide? Maybe we should be listening to doctors!"

You know what? That's fair. So the director of the Center for Health Security at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

"Mother fucker."

Tom Inglesby told “Fox News Sunday” that he disagreed with Trump’s and Education Secretary Betsy DeVos’s warnings that schools that do not reopen in the fall may not receive federal funding.

“I think issuing an ultimatum for schools opening is the wrong approach,” he said.

“There are going to be many challenges to opening schools safely and just kind of asserting that schools now must reopen safely doesn’t make it so,” Inglesby added.

Inglesby instead said the “right way to go” would be guiding and helping schools financially and urging them to follow both federal and state public health guidance.

The public health expert warned there are still “uncertainties” about how the virus could be transmitted in schools, saying experts won’t “know all the answers.” He also urged schools to be prepared to “react to what we find.”

Inglesby acknowledged that children are at lower risk of serious infection than adults, although not at zero risk, as some children have died in the U.S.

“What’s less clear is how efficiently kids will spread the virus in school both to each other and teachers, adults and parents,” he said.

Bolded for emphasis.

And I'd like to finish with a mild...correction? Earlier I posted a list of clues that Trump might be done with this, has given up on the idea of being re-elected, and the last item on the list was going golfing during the outbreak instead of doing his job, posting a recent trip of his.

What I didn't know was, he literally was golfing almost exactly when I posted. Yep. Trump went golfing literally yesterday, at a time when he canceled a trip to a rally because of the weather.

Oh, and this morning? Went on a tweetstorm defending this.

*cracks knuckles*

During which he said Obama played more, and longer, rounds of golf, and claimed golf was his exercise -- yes, Donald "I drive golf carts on the green" Trump, while trying to defend himself for playing golf by saying he got work done and exercise, then called out Obama for golfing more.

Which is a lie. Take us home, CNN.

Obama played 98 rounds of golf through this point in his presidency, according to data provided to CNN by Mark Knoller, a veteran CBS News White House correspondent who is known for tracking presidential activities. By contrast, Knoller said, Trump has spent all or part of 248 days at a golf course.

CNN's own count has Trump at 266 days spending some time at a Trump golf course.

Since Trump and his aides often refuse to confirm that he actually played golf during a visit to a golf club, even when he has been spotted in golf attire, it is not possible to definitively say how many times Trump has golfed as President. And some of Trump's rounds, like when he plays with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, mix leisure with official business.

Regardless, it is clear that Trump has spent more time golfing than Obama. And Trump's own golf-related "carbon footprint" has been bigger than Obama's even if you count only air travel.

Through this point in his first presidential term, Obama had made three vacation trips to his birth state of Hawaii for a total of 29,978 miles in the air, Knoller tweeted, while Trump has made 30 trips to Palm Beach, Florida, the home of Mar-a-Lago, for a total of 51,540 miles.

Obama played 333 rounds during his eight years as president, according to Knoller. In other words, Obama played golf once every 8.77 days as president. Trump, conversely, has been at a golf club once every 4.92 days so far.

It's also worth noting that Trump's trips -- like his Saturday and Sunday visits to the Trump National Golf Club in Sterling, Virginia -- have almost exclusively been to resort properties and golf courses his company owns.

In addition to the promotional value of these trips by a president, Trump's company has generated hundreds of thousands in revenue from charges to the Secret Service, according to Washington Post reporting.

Simply put, you have two options:

1) Listen to someone who can make five lies in one Trumper Tantrum on twitter that cross-cancel each other -- yes, the same man who said this

Everything's executive order because he doesn't have enough time because he's playing so much golf. He doesn't have enough time to convince Congress to do it. This guy plays more golf than people on the PGA Tour,

-- Trump, about Obama

and this

But, because I'm going to be working for you, I'm not going to have time to go play golf and... (cut off by applause)

who has now played roughly twice as much golf and is defending playing golf.

Or!

2) Listen to, at this point less and less hyperbole--

"Hmm?"

Not you. More and more literally, everyone else.

Make your choice, America. I know who I'd Rather side with.

And that's my five-per-day. *drops mouse*

[SirBeef]

Obama played 98 rounds of golf through this point in his presidency

I so remember the conservafrauds on here weekly bashing Obama for golfing essentially once a month as being too much. Yet not a fucking work from them for Trump golfing more than once a week. They have no ground to stand on.

[Casterbridge]

Florida just listed 15,299 new cases. That's a lovely new record.

[SirBeef]

Florida just listed 15,299 new cases. That's a lovely new record.

Florida was a mistake.

[Paranoid Android]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/10/u...ity-trump.html



lol

What a PoS. First he is nothing but a sociopath, where everything is a transaction. Trying to sell land where Puerto Ricans hold US citizenship is disgusting. Let alone trying to bail on people who were just hit with a hurricane.

I'm sorry we have to go here but most Trumpkins won't give a crap. We know why. For further references he wanted Greenland but not Puerto Rico. Hmm, I wonder.

[Benggaul]

So....Florida is reporting just over 15k new cases today. That's about 3.5k more than New York's highest ever.

And they are reporting 45 deaths.

Fuck Florida.

[Casterbridge]

So....Florida is reporting just over 15k new cases today. That's about 3.5k more than New York's highest ever.

And they are reporting 45 deaths.

Fuck Florida.

Truly sad thing is Sunday and Monday are supposed to be the low days, due to lower testing etc.

So next week could be interesting.