Mega-Thread: Coronavirus Pandemic

[JohnBrown1917]

As I said, you can opt to stay home. How can I give it to you if you stay locked down? Let me go out and risk getting it. Let it be an option. Scared? Stay home. Not scared? Go out. Simple and fair.

Because a lot of people do not have the option to stay inside?

Good riddance that so many countries put travel bans on the US, it clearly wil takel a long, long while before it stops being a problem.

[PACOX]

Looks like a lot of retailers are requiring masks. The requirements are necessary but the public facing employees don't get paid enough for the crap that is coming their way.

[Crissi]

As I said, you can opt to stay home. How can I give it to you if you stay locked down? Let me go out and risk getting it. Let it be an option. Scared? Stay home. Not scared? Go out. Simple and fair.

Sure, I can stay home, but assuming I cant afford a delivery service I still need to go out and get groceries / get my meds at the pharmacy. If no one is wearing a mask, that increases my exposure a great deal.

Also, plenty of "healthy" people still need to interact with the vulnerable. Healthcare workers / nursing home workers / etc.

and that doesnt even address the fact that plenty of healthy people still die from this, as well as able to suffer form long term complications.

Just because you're ok with more peopel dying does not mean everyone else is, nor is it a sound idea. its just flatly immoral to value FREEDOOOOMS over an exponential increase in deaths

[LeGin Tufnel]

I'm really not sure where you lot are going with this.

Like all things in life there is a middle ground.

Pulling a gun on a fellow shopper in Walmart for challenging them on not wearing a mask is not acceptable.

Neither, in my view, is asking primary school-aged children to wear masks for 8 hours a day with zero evidence that this is beneficial re. onwards transmission, especially in areas of low infection rate, when there is plenty of evidence that their mental health is deteriorating

I apologise for my emotive use of the word "Karen". I accept this was an inflammatory and stupid term to use.

Goodnight, all.

[Edge-]

As I said, you can opt to stay home. How can I give it to you if you stay locked down? Let me go out and risk getting it. Let it be an option. Scared? Stay home. Not scared? Go out. Simple and fair.

Man, you're the type of person that would have been hoarding scrap metal and stealing from victory gardens during WWII.

I miss when the people of this once-great nation understood the need for personal sacrifice for the sake of the nation as a whole. I miss when being mildly inconvenienced was viewed as a trivial matter and not a matter of "LIFE OR DEATH AND FREEDOM".

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https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/16/h...ite/index.html

In a victory over censorship, HHS is rescinding its order to hospitals to bypass the CDC and directly send data to the administration, letting the CDC again post actual data on their website.

[Crissi]

Man, you're the type of person that would have been hoarding scrap metal and stealing from victory gardens during WWII.

I miss when the people of this once-great nation understood the need for personal sacrifice for the sake of the nation as a whole. I miss when being mildly inconvenienced was viewed as a trivial matter and not a matter of "LIFE OR DEATH AND FREEDOM".

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https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/16/h...ite/index.html

In a victory over censorship, HHS is rescinding its order to hospitals to bypass the CDC and directly send data to the administration, letting the CDC again post actual data on their website.

Are you sure? I just read it, and they only rescinded the taking down of data that was already up, not that they resinded future data must go to HHS and not CDC

[Edge-]

Are you sure? I just read it, and they only rescinded the taking down of data that was already up, not that they resinded future data must go to HHS and not CDC

Ah, you're right. Data is going to HHS who will filter it to the CDC. So...a partial win, which is I guess the best we can hope for nowadays : /

[Elegiac]

I never said it doesn't.

You have been spending the entirety of your time in this thread doing everything in your power to downplay the effectiveness of masks in the face of official recommendations (based on an earlier recommendation that was later admitted to have been in error), and when called out on it retreat into "well I'm not saying they don't work, but..." Just cut it out already, we are quite wise to the game four years into this shitshow.

[Zython]

I'm really not sure where you lot are going with this.

Like all things in life there is a middle ground.

Pulling a gun on a fellow shopper in Walmart for challenging them on not wearing a mask is not acceptable.

Neither, in my view, is asking primary school-aged children to wear masks for 8 hours a day with zero evidence that this is beneficial re. onwards transmission, especially in areas of low infection rate, when there is plenty of evidence that their mental health is deteriorating

I apologise for my emotive use of the word "Karen". I accept this was an inflammatory and stupid term to use.

Goodnight, all.

Why not? We have Stand Your Ground laws, don't we?

[Cruor]

I mean, do I need to link the horror stories of people who haven't felt fine? Do we need to link the increasing data that shows taht, even without a severe case, the virus can lead to longterm health complications?

This kind of nonsense is what's led to nearly 140K Americans dying due to the virus.

NEARLY 140,000 AMERICANS HAVE DIED IN LESS THAN SIX MONTHS TO THIS VIRUS, AND WE WILL BE SURPASSING THAT MILESTONE VERY SOON WITH MANY MORE THOUSANDS TO COME

I'm not sure how people are not processing this information. Do they need to have loved ones dying around them before it sinks in?

Nobody I know is sick. I asked in my raid of 40 people, none if them or anyone they know is sick. 140k out of 330 million is nothing. Also 99% of those 140k were sick, old or both.

Will you admit that COVID 19 is not a serous threat to the majority of people? Again, I'm suck of how we always have to bend to the minority. You dont have a beastly immune system? Stay home. Dont drag me down.

[Elegiac]

Nobody I know is sick. I asked in my raid of 40 people, none if them or anyone they know is sick. 140k out of 330 million is nothing. Also 99% of those 140k were sick, old or both.

Will you admit that COVID 19 is not a serous threat to the majority of people? Again, I'm suck of how we always have to bend to the minority. You dont have a beastly immune system? Stay home. Dont drag me down.

"I don't know any of the American casualties that exceed Vietnam and Korea combined in the space of half a year therefore it is not an issue" is a commentary, yes, but not on COVID.

Let's see you put your money where your mouth is and refuse medical care if you should happen to catch it. It's overblown, right? No treatment for you, then.

[Egomaniac]

Neither, in my view, is asking primary school-aged children to wear masks for 8 hours a day with zero evidence that this is beneficial re. onwards transmission, especially in areas of low infection rate, when there is plenty of evidence that their mental health is deteriorating

I apologise for my emotive use of the word "Karen". I accept this was an inflammatory and stupid term to use.

Goodnight, all.

A) there's plenty of evidence that supports that wearing masks slows the transmission of the virus

B) Yes, of course the Corona Virus is having a bad effect on the mental health of children (and a lot of other people as well). But you don't combat that by pretending the Corona Virus isn't happening.

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Nobody I know is sick. I asked in my raid of 40 people, none if them or anyone they know is sick. 140k out of 330 million is nothing. Also 99% of those 140k were sick, old or both.

That's what this guy and his friends said.

https://people.com/health/ohio-veter...s-coronavirus/

Spoiler: He's dead now. Died on Independence Day.

[Crissi]

Nobody I know is sick. I asked in my raid of 40 people, none if them or anyone they know is sick. 140k out of 330 million is nothing. Also 99% of those 140k were sick, old or both.

Will you admit that COVID 19 is not a serous threat to the majority of people? Again, I'm suck of how we always have to bend to the minority. You dont have a beastly immune system? Stay home. Dont drag me down.

That's great. The pluraity if ancedote is not data. Many other people do know people, including me. Hell, we even have a few fellow forum members that have had it, so it slikely you're just willfully sticking your head in the sand.

Also, a lot of the cases and hospitalizations in my state are increasingly the "healthy" 20-40 year olds, which is why we closed the bars again.

[Edge-]

Nobody I know is sick.

Good for you! Glad your friends and family are all safe.

I asked in my raid of 40 people, none if them or anyone they know is sick.

Good for them, too! That's awesome that their friends and families are all safe as well.

140k out of 330 million is nothing.

I'm sure the friends and families of the 140K will be thrilled to hear that their loves ones deaths are "nothing".

You realize that this is what people were saying early on when it was just a few deaths as well, right? And that there will be many more deaths? And that more Americans have died than in WW1, the Vietnam War, or the Korean war, wall of which lasted years? And that we're roughly at the number of US Army deaths during the Civil War, which took place over 4 years? And that it's only been 6 months?

Also 99% of those 140k were sick, old or both.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c....htm#AgeAndSex You're wrong on the age.

You're also wrong on the "sick", because while Americans have many other medical conditions that can make the virus worse, those conditions aren't the cause of their death. It's rare to find Americans without some kind of comorbidity nowadays.

Will you admit that COVID 19 is not a serous threat to the majority of people?

No, because that's not what doctors, scientists, and infectious disease specialists are saying. I'll their their expert opinion over your "feels".

You dont have a beastly immune system? Stay home. Dont drag me down.

We get it, you're selfish and don't care much about anyone else. That's good for you. Unfortunately, you live in a society where everyone's actions can impact others, and that during temporary times of crisis that we may need to think about someone other than ourselves sometimes. It's hard, but I'm sure you're tough enough to be able to persevere.

[Elegiac]

Saw an idea to the effect of having unemployed bouncers reassigned from closed bars and clubs to helping enforce mask rules in essential businesses; we should do this.

No shoes, no shirt, no mask, no service.

[Cruor]

Man, you're the type of person that would have been hoarding scrap metal and stealing from victory gardens during WWII.

I miss when the people of this once-great nation understood the need for personal sacrifice for the sake of the nation as a whole. I miss when being mildly inconvenienced was viewed as a trivial matter and not a matter of "LIFE OR DEATH AND FREEDOM".

- - - Updated - - -

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/16/h...ite/index.html

In a victory over censorship, HHS is rescinding its order to hospitals to bypass the CDC and directly send data to the administration, letting the CDC again post actual data on their website.

The Americans of the 1940s would be horrified by the America of today and you know it, and I'm not talking about COVID-19. Speaking of war, I was in the army, how about you? Yeah, that's what I thought. The vast, overwhelming majority of healthy people aren't at risk. Meanwhile, the country is being crippled. A ton of businesses are just gone now, they couldn't afford to be closed for months. Comparing Corona to WW2 is honestly a joke.

[Elegiac]

The Americans of the 1940s would be horrified by the America of today and you know it, and I'm not talking about COVID-19.

Not really. We still have racism and milkshakes, they'd be pretty chill.

Speaking of war, I was in the army, how about you? Yeah, that's what I thought. The vast, overwhelming majority of healthy people aren't at risk. Meanwhile, the country is being crippled. A ton of businesses are just gone now, they couldn't afford to be closed for months. Comparing Corona to WW2 is honestly a joke.

You were willing to join the Armed Forces to "serve your country" but won't wear a piece of fabric for a small portion of your day to do the same, huh?

You're right, at the moment the death toll is currently only in excess of Korea and Vietnam combined in the span of half a year.

[Cruor]

"I don't know any of the American casualties that exceed Vietnam and Korea combined in the space of half a year therefore it is not an issue" is a commentary, yes, but not on COVID.

Let's see you put your money where your mouth is and refuse medical care if you should happen to catch it. It's overblown, right? No treatment for you, then.

I wouldn't seek treatment because I am absolutely positive my immune system can handle it. I would not be surprised if I already had it. I'm out and about all the time.
I'm thankful that I'm not in some liberal haven and the people in the restaurants, gun stores, shooting rangers, and pool I frequent all think its bullshit and don't require masks. Police think it's bullshit too.

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A) there's plenty of evidence that supports that wearing masks slows the transmission of the virus

B) Yes, of course the Corona Virus is having a bad effect on the mental health of children (and a lot of other people as well). But you don't combat that by pretending the Corona Virus isn't happening.

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That's what this guy and his friends said.

https://people.com/health/ohio-veter...s-coronavirus/

Spoiler: He's dead now. Died on Independence Day.

One guy. Did the whole party die? Nope? How come when I give examples people are like "oh your example sample size is too small" but you link one guy and it's evidence? Edit: looked at his pic, he's fat and looks like hes 47, not 37. Not the best example.

[Elegiac]

I wouldn't seek treatment because I am absolutely positive my immune system can handle it. I would not be surprised if I already had it. I'm out and about all the time.

A 30 year old man in Texas thought the same thing. Here are his last words:

"I think I made a mistake. I thought this was a hoax, but it's not."

Not seeing anything about a preexisting condition, either.

I'm thankful that I'm not in some liberal haven and the people in the restaurants, gun stores, shooting rangers, and pool I frequent all think its bullshit and don't require masks. Police think it's bullshit too.

Care to narrow it down a bit so we can pull up the COVID statistics for your area and prove you wrong?

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One guy. Did the whole party die? Nope? How come when I give examples people are like "oh your example sample size is too small" but you link one guy and it's evidence? Edit: looked at his pic, he's fat and looks like hes 47, not 37. Not the best example.

Law of big numbers, hun.

Besides, 1% of 320 million is 3.2 million deaths. "The whole party didn't die so it's not an issue" is moronic thinking.

Once again, I'd better not catch you saying a word about 9/11 in the future. I've got this thread bookmarked for September, in fact.

[Edge-]

Speaking of war, I was in the army

Thanks for your service!

how about you?

Oh, you're using your service as an argumentative cudgel. Nevermind then.

The vast, overwhelming majority of healthy people aren't at risk.

Scientists and doctors disagree. Just as you likely looked to veteran soldiers with experience for guidance and advice while you were serving, I'm looking to veteran doctors with experience for guidance and advice on how to handle a pandemic.

Meanwhile, the country is being crippled.

Sweden tried the, "Just don't close anything down" approach and...it hasn't done them any better.

A ton of businesses are just gone now, they couldn't afford to be closed for months.

This is true, and it's heartbreaking. I wish our government had taken a more aggressive approach to supporting small businesses financially so that they could weather a pandemic, but alas the ruling party in the government seems more interested in limiting businesses legal liability rather than providing them with much needed funding.

Comparing Corona to WW2 is honestly a joke.

Times of crisis and great need where every-day Americans are called upon to make personal sacrifices for the sake of the nation. I'll say that's a pretty fitting comparison.