Why do you guys think December is fall?

[Seranthor]

In one word: Internetz

As this thread proves, people will jump at any chance to stir up shit.

As I said before....and what IF Shadowlands releases in January 2021? Are ppl gonna sue Blizzard? Sure..we will get all these "Epic fail...OMFG...the world ends" threads....but honestly...we will get them anyhow. They will just be "OMFG...SL is so rushed, if only they took more time"

No matter when Blizzard releases there will be three groups...

Group 1) Blizzard cant do anything right, they released this trash too soon, the sky is falling, the sky is falling.

Group 2) Blizzard cant do anything right, they took too long to release this trash, the sky is falling, the sky is falling.

and
Group 3) The people that are looking forward to new content and start playing the hell out of it and dont care what Group 1 or 2 say or think.

[Onikaroshi]

In one word: Internetz

As this thread proves, people will jump at any chance to stir up shit.

As I said before....and what IF Shadowlands releases in January 2021? Are ppl gonna sue Blizzard? Sure..we will get all these "Epic fail...OMFG...the world ends" threads....but honestly...we will get them anyhow. They will just be "OMFG...SL is so rushed, if only they took more time"

I'm sure some people in countries that have laws for it will request refunds that they couldn't get before and blizzard wouldn't have a leg to stand on denying them. Nothing much more than that though.

[Malix Farwin]

Most people don't know that, most people are ignorant, most companies don't say things that most people wouldn't know. Just because you know a fun fact that Dec 21st is technically the end of Fall does not mean the whole world does. Most people are in 6 feet of snow by then. 4 days before Christmas... I doubt they meant it is all im saying.

That's your counter argument!?

Let me tell you what most people have now, the internet. They didnt need to know that all they had to do was a simple google search.

[Bigbazz]

Autumn is the same as fall. And the dates are the same across the world regardless of the country or the translation of the word. Yes, usually people consider December to be winter already, but people also sometimes consider May to be Summer and February to be Spring sometimes based on what weather there is.

Again, none of this matters since SL has an official "possible latest release date" already and it's December 2020.

Because I needed to know I googled it and came up with this as the top result, which really clears up any confusion. https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather...s-autumn-start

Suggests astronomical and meteorological definitions that are separate. What I've known my entire life and was taught in school was the latter, which is probably also why I've only really met people who look at it the same, same education system.

[Malix Farwin]

No matter when Blizzard releases there will be three groups...

Group 1) Blizzard cant do anything right, they released this trash too soon, the sky is falling, the sky is falling.

Group 2) Blizzard cant do anything right, they took too long to release this trash, the sky is falling, the sky is falling.

and
Group 3) The people that are looking forward to new content and start playing the hell out of it and dont care what Group 1 or 2 say or think.

You are missing group 4(the one you are in): Anyone who hs complaints about the game are group 1 and 2, i meanwhile think i am in group 3 while actually in group 4 who defends the game no matter what and probably thinks BFA was a good expansion.

[Playintrafic]

They should have said Q4. It would have solved the problem.

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I live in Canada. Winter appears "really" before 21 december. However, this definition may vary from country to country. Using the formal definition of the fall season (which is the good way because it is based on astronomical events) is the most neutral way Blizzard can go. But no, Blizzard cannot win...jeez.

This is kind of like how in Alabama Summer Starts in April and Lasts until The Last 3rd week in october.

[Azerate]

You are missing group 4(the one you are in): Anyone who hs complaints about the game are group 1 and 2, i meanwhile think i am in group 3 while actually in group 4 who defends the game no matter what and probably thinks BFA was a good expansion.

That group just exists in your head because you can't fathom someone can just be having a good time while still wanting to discuss the game with others.

[pacotaco]

Why are you being purposely ignorant?

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/meteo...omical-seasons

Both are correct.

By Meteorological reckoning winter starts on December 1st. By Astronomical reckoning it starts on winter solstice.

It makes no sense by meteorological reckoning, because it depends the place you're. For example, fall ended May 31 in Australia.

All this stupid debate comes from the stupid way anglo-saxons have to measure things. Why not use quarters of a year instead? Because they didn't even were aware of that bias, the same way that some poeple short-circuit when you say them taht Christmas it's not always on winter.

The mere moment you go international, using seasons as time measure is stupid, because:
1.- They are in reverse one half of the globe to the other.
2.- Some places have not noticeable seasons, in the way of classical seasons. If you go too close to the Equator or the poles, the change is barely noticeable. And even at the same latitude, climate may vary: Madrid is at the same latitude than New York and meteorological seasons aren't even close.

[Seranthor]

You are missing group 4(the one you are in): Anyone who hs complaints about the game are group 1 and 2, i meanwhile think i am in group 3 while actually in group 4 who defends the game no matter what and probably thinks BFA was a good expansion.

So if I've 'defended' this expansion or called it 'good' then you should be able to show me where I've said these things... Do tell... (I'm really looking forward to this).

[Trend]

You guys are arguing as if anyone knows anything anymore. If someone actually wanted to know what the dates are for fall, they would Google it.

And by the way, if you are in the U.S. and you did get educated (which Ion was), you would know the dates before the Google search. You don't need to have a PhD to know when the fucking seasons begin and end.

[Pohut]

It makes no sense by meteorological reckoning, because it depends the place you're. For example, fall ended May 31 in Australia.

All this stupid debate comes from the stupid way anglo-saxons have to measure things. Why not use quarters of a year instead? Because they didn't even were aware of that bias, the same way that some poeple short-circuit when you say them taht Christmas it's not always on winter.

The mere moment you go international, using seasons as time measure is stupid, because:
1.- They are in reverse one half of the globe to the other.
2.- Some places have not noticeable seasons, in the way of classical seasons. If you go too close to the Equator or the poles, the change is barely noticeable. And even at the same latitude, climate may vary: Madrid is at the same latitude than New York and meteorological seasons aren't even close.

It makes even less sense with American reckoning, because all the same issues come up + more. If you look at day/night cycle 21st of December is the exact middle of Winter.

[cwowtbang]

LOL in Western NY, fall ends in October. If its not snowing by Halloween something is wrong. To me, winter is from October/November to April.

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Maybe it's just the Alaska in me talking, but anything after Halloween is generally considered winter around here. Sort of surprised me that Fall officially runs halfway through winter.

I feel you! In Western NY, the Great Lakes are the determining factor for our climate. Winter, like you, begins here the end of October and runs roughly through April.

[Sharpbladez]

Its coming out in November. So stop worrying about December.

[hynx]

[QUOTE=Baine;52502988]They should have said Q4. It would have solved the problem.

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except 1st quarter starts Feb 1st. not Jan 1st. theres a whole extra month of play using your way.

[Malix Farwin]

So if I've 'defended' this expansion or called it 'good' then you should be able to show me where I've said these things... Do tell... (I'm really looking forward to this).

Define Probably: almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.

Meaning based off of the way you act aka not 100%. I do not have to prove that you defended BFA because i never made the claim that you did.

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That group just exists in your head because you can't fathom someone can just be having a good time while still wanting to discuss the game with others.

Much like the other groups exists in his head which was more or less the point.

[Kalisandra]

Using the formal definition of the fall season (which is the good way because it is based on astronomical events) is the most neutral way Blizzard can go. But no, Blizzard cannot win...jeez.

It is not the formal definition. It is one definition of several. The astronomical definition might be the most common in North America (though I have my doubts because it was Americans that introduced me to the 'calendar' definition), but it's not necessarily so elsewhere (even if we don't count the places that don't have a 'fall' season).

And how do people who insit on the astronomical seasons reconcile 'midsummer's day' being the solstice with summer running from the solstice to the equinox? Likewise for midwinter's day? It can't be mid-winter and the end of Fall.

[Wylyth1992]

As has been said, in North America Winter starts on the 21st of December, mean for two thirds of December it is Fall/ Autumn.

[Seranthor]

Define Probably: almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.

Meaning based off of the way you act aka not 100%. I do not have to prove that you defended BFA because i never made the claim that you did.

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Much like the other groups exists in his head which was more or less the point.

you DID say.

You are missing group 4(the one you are in): Anyone who hs complaints about the game are group 1 and 2, i meanwhile think i am in group 3 while actually in group 4 who defends the game no matter what and probably thinks BFA was a good expansion.

Now, are you wanting to say you didn't say it? or are you now trying to get out of defending your claim? I'm still waiting on where I have defended the game no matter what...

[Moozart]

I think if Shadowlands ships anywhere between September 1 - December 21, then they've technically honored their statement since that would cover all time for either way of defining 'Fall'. Personally, I've always thought of fall in line with the Solstice, but maybe I'm not the common case. That's what I was taught growing up, but that was in the early 80s.

I hope they release early November or right after Thanksgiving in the US, so that there is less interference with holidays.

If it gets released in that window it will go from being a Fall release to being a FAIL release... that is too soon.

[Monster Hunter]

Maybe it's just the Alaska in me talking, but anything after Halloween is generally considered winter around here. Sort of surprised me that Fall officially runs halfway through winter.

same and im Uk. though i am northern, tends to be mid nov is "winter" as far as im concerned.