SPOILERS: Shadowlands Lore Thread

[dunkl]

Are we able to know? With what we know so far of wc lore? If not, this is pretty exciting! I love theorizing and making connections but it’s also really fun just not knowing anything nor being able to piece certain things together because not enough information yet or because it’s so new it hasn’t been introduced.

I hope they introduce the new stuff really extremely slowly so it feels like wciv, v, and vi level of lore to be able to build off if and grow from. Old god, Azshara, etc feels rushed and packed and I don’t want all the next stuff to feel rushed and packed, it needs to be introduced and bake and settle for a long time in all our hearts and minds so future expansions will evolve naturally and slowly from this newer lore, the way vanilla - Bfa were explored after wc-wciii’s groundwork.

[Houle]

lol, old gods are such jobbers now
they went from "incomprehensible gods of madness and power" to "parasitic flashbag tumors", who a single empowered mortal can kill

N'zoth got it the worst, my man went from:

"N’zoth is still lurking. The Titans couldn’t defeat it… maybe someday we’ll get our chance? Don’t expect to hear anything about him in Pandaria, though!" (MoP interview from Dave Kosak)
to
"Ever the weakest of his own kind" (Azshara BfA)

[Pebrocks The Warlock]

"Ever the weakest of his own kind" (Azshara BfA)

We knew from the Dagger's whispers that N'Zoth was the weakest. He was even the first to be contained so it's not hard to believe.

It is ironic that the weakest of us may be the ultimate victor. C'Thun, Yogg-Saron, Y'Shaarj, and... well. Only one would remain to consume the world, that was always meant to be. (in the Hall of Glory in the Halls of Valor)

[Skytotem]

they replaced Valeera with Gazlowe

Good, she never made any sense there

[Villager720]

Good, she never made any sense there

I think they’re very ...fond of her model and are looking for excuses to use it.

[Skytotem]

I think they’re very ...fond of her model and are looking for excuses to use it.

They should decide wtf they wanna do with her as a character then

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Venthyr stuff from Joeygiggles on SoL discord

[Villager720]

They should decide wtf they wanna do with her as a character then

I believe the plan is “ogle”.

[Skytotem]

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[Forever Alone]

Judging by the current reveals these writers are spewing, First Trolls of course!

From Danuser's little mind:
"Maladraxus inspired that cheap copy (that previous writers made, mine is better!), the Scourge
Ardenweald inspired the cheap copy called Emerald Dream
The First Ones inspired the cheap copy called Titans
Kyrians inspired Valkyr

Damn Metzen for using his time machine to steal my ideas and go back to the past! Also, my self-insert Nathanos is so cool he withstood power that killed Old Gods!"

Ah, following the link provided earlier in the thread clears up everything about why the earlier Night Warrior could kill an Old God, when Tyrande couldn't handle a zombie with a bow. Thiernax talks about arguing with his husband over the power's risk. I see now, he was infused with woke potential. If only Tyrande had been gay, then she could have slightly injured Danuser's self-insert.

I'm more convinced every day SL is the first expansion they'll have to pay me to touch.

Yeah exactly. Everything in Shadowlands is supposed to be the original version of something we already know, when in reality it is the other way around. Everything in Shadowlands is just a copy of what we've already seen in the game.

[Skytotem]

Hmm, fits with Light and Void invading in the past.

[DemonHunter18]

lol, old gods are such jobbers now
they went from "incomprehensible gods of madness and power" to "parasitic flashbag tumors", who a single empowered mortal can kill

N'zoth got it the worst, my man went from:

"N’zoth is still lurking. The Titans couldn’t defeat it… maybe someday we’ll get our chance? Don’t expect to hear anything about him in Pandaria, though!" (MoP interview from Dave Kosak)
to
"Ever the weakest of his own kind" (Azshara BfA)

give Blizz some credit.

they destroyed 3 iconic threats in just one expansion (Legion, Scourge, Old Gods).

also, the stuff with Bwonsamdi is a little disappointing.

[Super Dickmann]

I don't know which part of that annoys me more - that one dude killed an Old God, empowered by the Night Warrior or not, that Tyrande's equivalent feats include freezing a camp of random undead, that Elune is not Night Elf-exclusive or that those guys are now stuck being deer for all time.

Now that bit of Alexandros questioning his place in Maldraxxus I love. This is what they should be exploring heavily - people expecting one thing from an afterlife and then punting them elsewhere, be it in error like the Forsworn in Bastion or when what someone thinks of themselves and who they 'are' at their base don't match up like with Vashj or Mograine and they struggle with that, especially if they had a very committed faith. If you're going to put them there, the least you could do is play into it.

[Syegfryed]

I think they’re very ...fond of her model and are looking for excuses to use it.

just like they are with Calia, Danouser without Sylvanas need others to relief his stress

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I don't know which part of that annoys me more - that one dude killed an Old God, empowered by the Night Warrior or not, that Tyrande's equivalent feats include freezing a camp of random undead, that Elune is not Night Elf-exclusive or that those guys are now stuck being deer for all time.

people said it was one dude and the warriors there, so not alone.

But just gonna say im loving all of this of night elves not being the special snowflakes with this elune shenanigans, i had discussion with one fanboy years ago with something similar, wish i could see him now, being stuck as a deer? also funny

Now that bit of Alexandros questioning his place in Maldraxxus I love. This is what they should be exploring heavily - people expecting one thing from an afterlife and then punting them elsewhere, be it in error like the Forsworn in Bastion or when what someone thinks of themselves and who they 'are' at their base don't match up like with Vashj or Mograine and they struggle with that, especially if they had a very committed faith. If you're going to put them there, the least you could do is play into it.

Lets see how Dra'ka will feel after thinking she would meet her ancestors and instead came in this scourge like place full of undead abominations for some reason please

they replaced Valeera with Gazlowe

now they just have to replace Calia with anyone else, that is actually a horde leader.

[Super Dickmann]

people said it was one dude and the warriors there, so not alone.

But just gonna say im loving all of this of night elves not being the special snowflakes with this elune shenanigans, i had discussion with one fanboy years ago with something similar, wish i could see him now, being stuck as a deer? also funny

With allies or not, the power differential is still massive. The story about how Tyrande needs to ditch her powers pronto because they're too much to contain doesnt' really follow when we haven't actually seen Tyrande do anything all that impressive. Jaina is instead given the powerhouse treatment while with Tyrande it's told but never shown.

Elune is very Night Elf-connected. They're coming perilously close to explaining her, which would be a mistake. Blizzard in general suffer from overexplaining things - the Bwonsamdi thing being another of the endless examples.

Lets see how Dra'ka will feel after thinking she would meet her ancestors and instead came in this scourge like place full of undead abominations for some reason please

I agree with everyone else that Draka was an awful pick for this and it should've been Orgrim, but you can do some interesting things here - the first is that being in Maldraxxus destroys orc ancestor worship. For another, Draka's whole character is based around how in any other clan except the Frostwolves she'd be chucked off a cliff for being a runt and that she overcame that to prove herself, so Maldraxxus which is all about proving yourself and gaining more power isn't actually all that off base.

[Maleific]

Half-way through the Maldraxxus quests atm. Dawned on me that the missing Primus is most likely the Runesage from Torghast.

[Alanar]

Half-way through the Maldraxxus quests atm. Dawned on me that the missing Primus is most likely the Runesage from Torghast.

I though the same thing, but I could not find anything about it.

[Venziir]

And all five of those Old Gods are dead now right? I thought Azeroth would be doomed if they were destroyed

Four*, they changed it from five to four years ago.

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With allies or not, the power differential is still massive. The story about how Tyrande needs to ditch her powers pronto because they're too much to contain doesnt' really follow when we haven't actually seen Tyrande do anything all that impressive. Jaina is instead given the powerhouse treatment while with Tyrande it's told but never shown.

Elune is very Night Elf-connected. They're coming perilously close to explaining her, which would be a mistake. Blizzard in general suffer from overexplaining things - the Bwonsamdi thing being another of the endless examples.



I agree with everyone else that Draka was an awful pick for this and it should've been Orgrim, but you can do some interesting things here - the first is that being in Maldraxxus destroys orc ancestor worship. For another, Draka's whole character is based around how in any other clan except the Frostwolves she'd be chucked off a cliff for being a runt and that she overcame that to prove herself, so Maldraxxus which is all about proving yourself and gaining more power isn't actually all that off base.

... I'd never thought about that... God-fucking-damnit, now I want that!

[Varodoc]

Four*, they changed it from five to four years ago.

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... I'd never thought about that... God-fucking-damnit, now I want that!

They are referring to Xal'athath. Some think she's an Old God who was devoured by her brothers, but there is no official confirmation of this.

[Maleific]

I though the same thing, but I could not find anything about it.

The things which made me think that is: He's described as a master craftsman, and the Runesage has no memories.

[Super Dickmann]

... I'd never thought about that... God-fucking-damnit, now I want that!

Can't take any credit for that idea, but I really like it - we've already plumbed the 'Thrall meets his parents' well in WoD and let's face it, it was pretty boring. They don't really have much to talk about. Thrall, after all he's been through and what the Horde has changed speaking with the guy who made him Warchief in the first place though, not so much.