Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Santti]

So he is a terrorist now ? Not that I am defending him either.

Right. "Just asking questions".

[Edge-]

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/...-counting.html

Shit's getting expensive, the fencing up in Portland is costing the Feds a $500 fine every 15 minutes as they've repeatedly refused to take it down and it's apparently on state property.

Again, the party of "states rights" seems to have no concerns about states rights at the moment.

[Specialka]

I'm sorry, I keep forgetting that Woke Independents never support anything, and definitively don't only ever ask to wait to pass judgement when it's a certain political spectrum carrying out terrorist acts.

What is a woke independant ?

[Felya]

What is a woke independant ?

Here is an example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WalkAway_campaign

[TexasRules]

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/...-counting.html

Shit's getting expensive, the fencing up in Portland is costing the Feds a $500 fine every 15 minutes as they've repeatedly refused to take it down and it's apparently on state property.

Again, the party of "states rights" seems to have no concerns about states rights at the moment.

What do state's rights have to do with federal buildings? And what does this riot have to do with George Floyd or black lives matter?

[Antiganon]

What do state's rights have to do with federal buildings?

The feds put up a fence around the courthouse, didn't check the property lines, and it's on state property.

The state doesn't want the fence up, so they told the feds to take it down, here's a fine, there will be more fines until the fence is gone.

[Edge-]

What do state's rights have to do with federal buildings?

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/...bike-lane.html

“This fence was constructed without permission or permits on public property, and it is both an abuse of public space and a threat to the traveling public,” Commissioner Chloe Eudaly said in the statement.

It's blocking a bike lane, which is not federal property.

This is why I provide links, because reading them helps inform you. And they often contain links to even more reporting on the topic with even more information.

[TexasRules]

The feds put up a fence around the courthouse, didn't check the property lines, and it's on state property.

The state doesn't want the fence up, so they told the feds to take it down, here's a fine, there will be more fines until the fence is gone.

The government doesn't want their courthouse burned down and the state is doing nothing about it. That fine will never be paid and is a pure political move by a person claiming agents are “federal occupiers.” You guys can bullshit all you want, but this is not helping the democrat party, it's helping galvanize people against them. Federal agents being attacked is going to be campaign ad after campaign ad asking if you are okay with the way the democratic party wants to rule and allow violence. You think people are going to be okay with a government that allows violence for no reason like Portland and Seattle? This is not a protest.

[unfilteredJW]

Someone go back and see what ol Tex here had to say about the Bundys.

[Edge-]

The government doesn't want their courthouse burned down and the state is doing nothing about it.

There are local PD working with federal agents, so that's not correct.

That fine will never be paid and is a pure political move by a person claiming agents are “federal occupiers.”

So you're just confirming that the "States rights" thing was just an act? Because it doesn't matter how the state (or city) frames it, if the feds overstepped their boundaries and put fencing on state land then they are in violation of local ordinance.

You either care about states rights or you don't, and it doesn't seem that you do right now.

Federal agents being attacked is going to be campaign ad after campaign ad asking if you are okay with the way the democratic party wants to rule and allow violence.

Man, Trump's America sounds freakin awful. The feds are getting attacked under his leadership? Pretty bad, IMO.

Also, why focus on the protesters? Why not focus on the greater threat during these protests? The boogaloo bois have proven a far greater threat to law enforcement, racking up multiple murders to their name, and an indictment for terrorism.

Almost like, as with the surge in federal troops, this is all a performative piece of political art playing with peoples lives.

[Belize]

You guys can bullshit all you want, but this is not helping the democrat party, it's helping galvanize people against them. F

Oh give it a rest.

Public support is overwhelmingly against the federal government and in-line with the protesters. You have basically every group from suburban moms to military vets lining up against federal agents. Get out of your cloistered echo chamber of nonsense and stop lying.

[Thee ANCOM]

The government doesn't want their courthouse burned down and the state is doing nothing about it. That fine will never be paid and is a pure political move by a person claiming agents are “federal occupiers.” You guys can bullshit all you want, but this is not helping the democrat party, it's helping galvanize people against them. Federal agents being attacked is going to be campaign ad after campaign ad asking if you are okay with the way the democratic party wants to rule and allow violence. You think people are going to be okay with a government that allows violence for no reason like Portland and Seattle? This is not a protest.

I'm loving how despreately right wigners are making the guy who said "well, maybe the cops should just shoot people in the leg instead" out to be some far left insitgator. and even doubly funny is the argument that this will happen under Biden ...when it's happening under Trump. right. now. even funnier still, is there is a global pandemic that has brought the economy to it's knees and Trump wants us to pretend it'll go away on its own eventually. I can't wait to see you get blown the fuck out come November.

[TexasRules]

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/...bike-lane.html



It's blocking a bike lane, which is not federal property.

This is why I provide links, because reading them helps inform you. And they often contain links to even more reporting on the topic with even more information.

Please tell me you also agree with her that the FEDERAL agents in the FEDERAL building are “federal occupiers.” Why the fuck are you guys so dis igneous. You know she is just being political, but you think smarmy retorts about shitty news coverage is the coin. Why aren't you posting links to videos that do not matter. You know this is dumb and that the government is not going to pay. When it is over and the government wants Portland to pay for all the damage and all the money it cost to send officers there, are you going to post and be on the side of the government, because the government will have a legal case for it. No you won't, because you are dis igneous and you would never post that.

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I'm loving how despreately right wigners are making the guy who said "well, maybe the cops should just shoot people in the leg instead" out to be some far left insitgator. and even doubly funny is the argument that this will happen under Biden ...when it's happening under Trump. right. now. even funnier still, is there is a global pandemic that has brought the economy to it's knees and Trump wants us to pretend it'll go away on its own eventually. I can't wait to see you get blown the fuck out come November.

You can mislabel me as right wing, I'll just mislabel you as intelligent and see how far that gets. I don't even understand what you are talking about. Saying shooting people in the leg makes you an instigator? This whole rant is unintelligible drivel.

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There are local PD working with federal agents, so that's not correct.

You mean occupiers. You agree with the nonsense spewed from a city official so therefore call them as you agree, occupiers.

[Edge-]

Please tell me you also agree with her that the FEDERAL agents in the FEDERAL building are “federal occupiers.”

Why should I tell you that? Because you want me to say it?

I mean, they're not, while they're in a federal building, but they're also clearly not welcome by the city or state governments, nor by the people of Portland.

Why the fuck are you guys so dis igneous. You know she is just being political, but you think smarmy retorts about shitty news coverage is the coin.

Her being "political" or not has nothing to do with Republicans abandoning their position of "states rights" at the current moment. You either support "states rights" or you don't, and right now, you don't.

Why aren't you posting links to videos that do not matter.

Did you not bother to click anything? Each link is a full editorial.

When it is over and the government wants Portland to pay for all the damage and all the money it cost to send officers there, are you going to post and be on the side of the government, because the government will have a legal case for it.

Doubtful. Portland never requested their assistance and their presence has lead to an exponential escalation at protests that were, again, organically dying down and likely soon to be only a handful of diehards left.

No you won't, because you are dis igneous and you would never post that.

Why are you so concerned about the future and not the present?

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You mean occupiers. You agree with the nonsense spewed from a city official so therefore call them as you agree, occupiers.

I'll kindly thank you not to strawman arguments on my behalf.

[Thee ANCOM]

You can mislabel me as right wing, I'll just mislabel you as intelligent and see how far that gets. I don't even understand what you are talking about. Saying shooting people in the leg makes you an instigator? This whole rant is unintelligible drivel.

you're the one saying this is somehow going to blow back on the Dems for thier part in it. sorry your point is even more half baked than I assumed it was? like dude you're the one going off about campaign ads.

[TexasRules]

So you're just confirming that the "States rights" thing was just an act? Because it doesn't matter how the state (or city) frames it, if the feds overstepped their boundaries and put fencing on state land then they are in violation of local ordinance.

You either care about states rights or you don't, and it doesn't seem that you do right now.



Man, Trump's America sounds freakin awful. The feds are getting attacked under his leadership? Pretty bad, IMO.

Also, why focus on the protesters? Why not focus on the greater threat during these protests? The boogaloo bois have proven a far greater threat to law enforcement, racking up multiple murders to their name, and an indictment for terrorism.

Almost like, as with the surge in federal troops, this is all a performative piece of political art playing with peoples lives.

Nice whataboutism and misdirection. You are really making a salientpoint to pretend to give a shit about state's rights, especially when it is just political grandstanding. Are you just intentionally doing it or do you really believe what she says, if so you are acting way too conservative and need to become much more militantly liberal. These occupiers need to get out of their federal courthouse.

[Felya]

You mean occupiers. You agree with the nonsense spewed from a city official so therefore call them as you agree, occupiers.

Liberate those cities!!!



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Nice whataboutism and misdirection. You are really making a salientpoint to pretend to give a shit about state's rights, especially when it is just political grandstanding. Are you just intentionally doing it or do you really believe what she says, if so you are acting way too conservative and need to become much more militantly liberal. These occupiers need to get out of their federal courthouse.

Pointing out people who screamed “states rights” are hypocrites, doesn’t require the person pointing out the hypocrisy to actually care.

[Edge-]

You are really making a salientpoint to pretend to give a shit about state's rights, especially when it is just political grandstanding.

See, that's the thing. If you care about "states rights" as Republicans claim to, you don't get to selectively ignore them because a state engaged in "political grandstanding". That just shows that you only care about them when you agree with them, which makes it a hypocritical position to hold.

And I've actually never said I'm the biggest "states rights" guy, actually, so I'm pretending nothing. Especially since I haven't shared my views on the topic, only offered commentary on the Republican party position.

Are you just intentionally doing it or do you really believe what she says, if so you are acting way too conservative and need to become much more militantly liberal. These occupiers need to get out of their federal courthouse.

Whether I agree with her rhetoric or not is, again, irrelevant. If you (the royal you) care about states rights, as the Republican party claims, then the city and state have every right to fine the federal government for overstepping their authority and failing to respond to legal complaints.

Even if you don't like the way the state is saying it.

[Felya]

@TexasRules I have not forgotten Trump tweets screaming “liberate” encouraging people to threaten and attack nurses, police and medical officials. I don’t think I am unique in remembering Trump encouraging riots, to inhibit medical professionals from treating patients.

[wunksta]

@TexasRules I have not forgotten Trump tweets screaming “liberate” encouraging people to threaten and attack nurses, police and medical officials. I don’t think I am unique in remembering Trump encouraging riots, to inhibit medical professionals from treating patients.

What he meant was...