Mega-Thread: Coronavirus Pandemic

[Elegiac]

Why would you think the Dems will be better? They literary bent the knee to the people holding mass protests during a global pandemic. They are obviously not overly concerned with people adhering to social distancing rules. Granted they can't be any worse than Trump and his useless shower of bastards but come on.

/yawn

Please get out of here with the revisionist narratives because a) there was a lot of concern about the protests re COVID that only quieted down once there was information available as to whether or not they would cause a spike (they didn't), and b) at no point have the Democrats tried to downplay the threat caused by COVID or dismiss it as a hoax.

[cubby]

Why would you think the Dems will be better? They literary bent the knee to the people holding mass protests during a global pandemic. They are obviously not overly concerned with people adhering to social distancing rules. Granted they can't be any worse than Trump and his useless shower of bastards but come on.

Because they are objectively better. You asking that question is a major tell into how little you know about the facts.

[Felya]

Why would you think the Dems will be better?

Because they instituted the pandemic response team, that Trump defunded... they prefer actual experts, to people who think Alien DNA and daemon spunk are the cure.

Also, Biden doesn’t own a shit ton of hotels and golf courses, where his bottom line is impacted by shutting down and people being weary of a virus.

[Edge-]

In which Georgia students are sent to school to get infected and pass the virus along to their families, and there's "nothing" that can be done about it.

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https://twitter.com/ReichlinMelnick/...80169286373377

ICE detention center rejected widespread testing within their facility, because they had no plans and no way to handle separating detainees so that they could remain safe.

This only came out via a lawsuit against the detention center.

I don't care what crime you have done or what crimes you're alleged to have done. You don't deserve to be infected with a deadly virus due to inhumane conditions and have a considerably higher risk of dying because of a general lack of access to decent medical care.

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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...emic-realities

Bigger article about how, for some fucking stupid reason, there's still a political divide on the pandemic in the US. The chart make it pretty apparent that one party tends to believe science and experts in far greater numbers than the other -

[Zan15]

Good grief! Are you the online statement and phrase checker here? English teacher? Does it bother you if I said, " I ain't caring? lol! Which by the way is a saying in some parts of the rural South of the US, which means you do care if someone asks you if you want a beer for example.

the irony from a guy who attacked another poster for:

"when you use the expression "you are" rather than "your argument is " along with a expletive, it can be easily taken as personal."

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post52462593

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...emic-realities

Bigger article about how, for some fucking stupid reason, there's still a political divide on the pandemic in the US. The chart make it pretty apparent that one party tends to believe science and experts in far greater numbers than the other -

waits for the obligatory "both sides" from you know whos .....

[Cynep]

It seems the world as a whole has peaked. My earlier point about 3% cases soft cap remains true, Qatar is still the only country to go past it, and for understandable reasons. I expect some US states go past 3% ("because they test more" :| ), but whether any other state-level entity besides Qatar will break 4% cases within 2020, remains to be seen. I guess they'd have to increase testing for that.

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the irony from a guy who attacked another poster for:

"when you use the expression "you are" rather than "your argument is " along with a expletive, it can be easily taken as personal."

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post52462593

English is my 4th language; I won't achieve native-level mastery anytime soon, and one of my recent posts (not in this thread) was shot down by a grammar nazi for using a word that's correct in Russian but has nuances in English.

That said, the post you linked, as opposed to the one you quoted, isn't talking about "your"/"you're" mistake, but rather the difference in the meaning between "your argument is shitty" and "you are shitty". These two are very different thoughts to express.

[PhaelixWW]

It seems the world as a whole has peaked.

The world as a whole has not peaked.

My earlier point about 3% cases soft cap remains true

There is no 3% "soft cap".

[Deja Thoris]

It seems the world as a whole has peaked.

Stop talking shit dude. You come here every couple of weeks with these wishy washy nonsensical statements. The briefest look at any statistics will tell you its far from peaked. Are you trying to fool yourself or others with this bullshit?

[Slant]

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...ve/3309490001/

Mike DeWine of Ohio is the second governor to test positive for the virus. He's asymptomatic and it was only discovered due to a test he took before he was scheduled to meet Donald Trump.

Uh... so close!

[Deathknightish]

Other countries that locked down are seeing a second wave, while here in Sweden we are seeing a decline in both new cases and deaths. I truly believe we did the right thing back in march, not closing down, and this is exactly what I predicted. We would have more cases early on, but countries that shut themselves down would reach a second wave when they opened up.

[Draco-Onis]

Other countries that locked down are seeing a second wave, while here in Sweden we are seeing a decline in both new cases and deaths. I truly believe we did the right thing back in march, not closing down, and this is exactly what I predicted. We would have more cases early on, but countries that shut themselves down would reach a second wave when they opened up.

But your GDP tanked, there's no herd immunity, you still aren't really testing so your data has always been bogus so you guys did all this for nothing. The whole point of not shutting down was to not take a GDP hit and herd immunity you got neither. In contrast the countries that followed the science got better GDP numbers and better data sets.

[Deathknightish]

But your GDP tanked, there's no herd immunity, you still aren't really testing so your data has always been bogus so you guys did all this for nothing. The whole point of not shutting down was to not take a GDP hit and herd immunity you got neither. In contrast the countries that followed the science got better GDP numbers and better data sets.

That's not true, though.

https://www.di.se/nyheter/historiska...krisen-battre/
https://www.svd.se/rapport-svensk-ek...at-krisen-bast
https://www.svd.se/sveriges-ekonomi-...-krisen-battre
https://omni.se/analysfirma-sverige-...andra/a/wP73VP
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/a...n-andra-lander
https://www.bohuslaningen.se/ekonomi...tre-1.31972990

Swedish sources, but they all basically say that Sweden will survive this crisis better than most countries in Europe finanically.

"Sweden's unorthodox handling of the corona pandemic has led to the country doing better than other countries in Europe economically. It writes the British analysis company Capital Economics in a new report.

"Anders Borg was Minister of Finance in Fredrik Reinfeldt's government during the financial crisis in 2008. In his summer speech, he talks about the corona pandemic and Sweden's actions, based on his experiences of an economic crisis.

It is too early to evaluate whether Sweden has chosen the right strategy, says Anders Borg, but believes that Sweden has managed the crisis better than other countries in economic terms.

- My conclusion as an economist is that Sweden has managed the corona with significantly less harmful effects on society and people's everyday lives. The most deprived countries are likely to experience the largest decline in welfare and the highest unemployment."

The Swedish economy has suffered the least damage in Europe - the "best of a bad bunch in Europe", according to the analysis company."
An example.

[Gorsameth]

Other countries that locked down are seeing a second wave, while here in Sweden we are seeing a decline in both new cases and deaths. I truly believe we did the right thing back in march, not closing down, and this is exactly what I predicted. We would have more cases early on, but countries that shut themselves down would reach a second wave when they opened up.

Swedens curve is ~2 months behind the rest of Europe. It took that much longer for cases to go down in comparison. So lets see how Sweden is doing in 2 months and whether you have a 2nd wave then before doing a victory dance.

Heck looking at worldometer your not even right on your opening opinion. Sweden has been trending up again this week.

[Draco-Onis]

That's not true, though.

https://www.di.se/nyheter/historiska...krisen-battre/
https://www.svd.se/rapport-svensk-ek...at-krisen-bast
https://www.svd.se/sveriges-ekonomi-...-krisen-battre
https://omni.se/analysfirma-sverige-...andra/a/wP73VP
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/a...n-andra-lander
https://www.bohuslaningen.se/ekonomi...tre-1.31972990

Swedish sources, but they all basically say that Sweden will survive this crisis better than most countries in Europe finanically.

"Sweden's unorthodox handling of the corona pandemic has led to the country doing better than other countries in Europe economically. It writes the British analysis company Capital Economics in a new report.

"Anders Borg was Minister of Finance in Fredrik Reinfeldt's government during the financial crisis in 2008. In his summer speech, he talks about the corona pandemic and Sweden's actions, based on his experiences of an economic crisis.

It is too early to evaluate whether Sweden has chosen the right strategy, says Anders Borg, but believes that Sweden has managed the crisis better than other countries in economic terms.

- My conclusion as an economist is that Sweden has managed the corona with significantly less harmful effects on society and people's everyday lives. The most deprived countries are likely to experience the largest decline in welfare and the highest unemployment."

The Swedish economy has suffered the least damage in Europe - the "best of a bad bunch in Europe", according to the analysis company."
An example.

None of this is based on facts and current data just wishful thinking.

https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/e...tified-failure


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/5472100002/

“They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”

"Regardless of whether herd immunity is a goal or a side effect of the Swedish strategy, how has it worked out? Not so well, according to the agency’s own test results. The proportion of Swedes carrying antibodies is estimated to be less than 10%, thus nowhere near herd immunity. Yet, the Swedish death rate is unnerving. Sweden has a death toll greater than the United States: 564 deaths per million inhabitants compared with 444, as of July 27"

"Sweden’s central bank expects its economy to contract by 4.5 percent this year, a revision from a previously expected gain of 1.3 percent. The unemployment rate jumped to 9 percent in May from 7.1 percent in March. “The overall damage to the economy means the recovery will be protracted, with unemployment remaining elevated,” Oxford Economics concluded in a recent research note.

This is more or less how damage caused by the pandemic has played out in Denmark, where the central bank expects that the economy will shrink 4.1 percent this year, and where joblessness has edged up to 5.6 percent in May from 4.1 percent in March.

In short, Sweden suffered a vastly higher death rate while failing to collect on the expected economic gains."


All you are posting is propaganda from the Swedish press, there's no data set that shows this experiment worked.

By the way let me translate economics talk for you.

Compared to the 2008 financial crisis = I am going to dismiss the fact that central banks lowered interest rates, QE and government stimulus got enacted really early you know the thing that saved us in 2008 to make this look better.

It's too early to tell = The data is a complete disaster but I don't want to alarm you.


The most deprived countries = Out of the worst countries in the world that responded to this thing we aren't at the top maybe.

[Forogil]

Stop talking shit dude. You come here every couple of weeks with these wishy washy nonsensical statements. The briefest look at any statistics will tell you its far from peaked. Are you trying to fool yourself or others with this bullshit?

Looking at reported cases it may actually have peaked this time.

However, there might be more peaks later, and in part the peak in reported cases is because a large part of the spread is now in S. America (in particular Brazil), India and all over Africa with less testing - which makes the reported case numbers less meaningful. Additionally peaks for epidemics are rarely symmetrical - you often see that it decreases more slowly than it increases, and thus even if there are no additional peaks we are likely not half-way through it yet.

[Slant]

That's not true, though.

https://www.di.se/nyheter/historiska...krisen-battre/
https://www.svd.se/rapport-svensk-ek...at-krisen-bast
https://www.svd.se/sveriges-ekonomi-...-krisen-battre
https://omni.se/analysfirma-sverige-...andra/a/wP73VP
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/a...n-andra-lander
https://www.bohuslaningen.se/ekonomi...tre-1.31972990

Swedish sources, but they all basically say that Sweden will survive this crisis better than most countries in Europe finanically.

"Sweden's unorthodox handling of the corona pandemic has led to the country doing better than other countries in Europe economically. It writes the British analysis company Capital Economics in a new report.

"Anders Borg was Minister of Finance in Fredrik Reinfeldt's government during the financial crisis in 2008. In his summer speech, he talks about the corona pandemic and Sweden's actions, based on his experiences of an economic crisis.

It is too early to evaluate whether Sweden has chosen the right strategy, says Anders Borg, but believes that Sweden has managed the crisis better than other countries in economic terms.

- My conclusion as an economist is that Sweden has managed the corona with significantly less harmful effects on society and people's everyday lives. The most deprived countries are likely to experience the largest decline in welfare and the highest unemployment."

The Swedish economy has suffered the least damage in Europe - the "best of a bad bunch in Europe", according to the analysis company."
An example.

Yes, Sweden will come out of it better economically. And Sweden is paying for it with its citizens' lives (almost twice the fatality rate than other places). That's the problem. "Managed better"? No. Not even the slightest. And that's with Sweden having a small population and a big country. Their strategy (whatever it may bring) wouldn't work on central Europe.

[Forogil]

Swedens curve is ~2 months behind the rest of Europe. It took that much longer for cases to go down in comparison. So lets see how Sweden is doing in 2 months and whether you have a 2nd wave then before doing a victory dance.

I agree that it's too early to do a victory dance for anyone - but even if there is now a two months delay now it seems more complicated and reported cases are not that meaningful when testing varies.

Using number of deaths instead:
Sweden's death-numbers peaked less than a month behind the rest of Europe (about 2-3 weeks behind Italy that was the first major outbreak-country in Europe).
However, the decline then differed - it took Sweden (and the UK) 3 months to reduce daily deaths to 10% of the peak compared to 2 months for Italy (and Germany).
And Spain and Belgium got that reduction in about 1 month, but looking at case numbers that seems likely to change.

ICU-numbers are likely more reliable - but worldometers doesn't seem to include them as graphs.

Heck looking at worldometer your not even right on your opening opinion. Sweden has been trending up again this week.

True - we will see how it develops.

[Ghostpanther]

Gov. Dewine of Ohio, had tested positive for the Covid-19, now he tests negative....19 hrs afterward he tested positive....https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-gov-...sting-positive

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine tested negative for COVID-19 on Thursday hours after testing positive before he was set to greet President Trump at the Cleveland airport, according to a statement by the governor's office.

Instead of meeting with Trump, DeWine returned to Columbus and was ultimately tested for coronavirus a second time.

The second test was a PCR test administered that afternoon, which his office said was "extremely sensitive, as well as specific, for the virus." His wife, Fran DeWine, and staff members also tested negative.

Makes me wonder how many other positive tests, may be negative.

[Puupi]

Gov. Dewine of Ohio, had tested positive for the Covid-19, now he tests negative....19 hrs afterward he tested positive....https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-gov-...sting-positive

The tests aren't 100% reliable.

[Draco-Onis]

The tests aren't 100% reliable.

The one Trump uses for testing has a 15-20% false negative rate but it returns results within hours.