Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Hinastorm]

Some do blame Trump for the death's. Even the person I responded to did. You can clear see that from his reply to my post. And if the large majority do blame China, that does mean they do not blame for Trump for the cause of it's spread. Because if had not been for China, it never would have spread in the first place. :P

And his handling approval of the virus will vary greatly depending on the party affiliation of the person....https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/coronavirus-polls/ I do not think you mind clicking on that link....lol!

70+ % of Republicans approve of it and 8% of Democrats.

So this is the mind of a trump supporter huh. Explains alot.

[cubby]

The ultimate blame is his. He's in charge. The person in charge takes the blame. Especially when they ignore a problem allowing it to fester.

I think you are 100% correct. And Trump has said exactly as much himself. One of our frequent posters here has that quote as their sig, iirc.

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Boomers don't know how to take responsibility, hence it's an alien concept to him. Reap the benefits of the previous generation and pass the burden on to the next that's essentially the background people ghostkitty comes from.

Could not have said it better myself. Plus, they somehow don't want the world to be better for the next generation - they are the group of "we didn't have it easy, why should anyone else?".

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"“The stated goal from the beginning was to defeat Trump and Trumpism at the ballot box and to call out his enablers,” Galen said. “These senators we’ve gone after are not conservative Republicans in any classical sense of those words ... they should have T's behind their names, not R's." "

From the post above, if only, if only they woke the fuck up after the tea party came into play in the GOP than all of this could have been avoided.


I highly doubt Facebook will push through, the alt right base remains a stable user group they can bombard for ad revenue.

Interesting...the (T)GOP - or (TR).

[Thepersona]

Could not have said it better myself. Plus, they somehow don't want the world to be better for the next generation - they are the group of "we didn't have it easy, why should anyone else?".

The crux of the boomer "hating" on the new generations is, at least to me, a response that their worldview is being fractured and broken in front of their eyes, and realistically, they cannot do anything to stem the fall of said thing.

[Breccia]

I found this headline odd.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is calling for the Trump administration and congressional Democrats to restart negotiations on a fifth coronavirus deal after talks collapsed late last week.

"What's odd about it?"

Shouldn't McConnell be part of this? I posted recently how he was basically sitting this one out, likely chewing some kale under a basking light. Why isn't McConnell negotiating? Couldn't he and Pelosi bring a paper to Trump's desk with 90+ signatures and say "sign it or walk, fatty"?

Honestly, McConnell may be stubborn and at times even immobile, but at least he's not holding out for something unrelated like an FBI building. Trump, by contrast, is a coward. He won't veto something that'd be overridden, but instead, spin it as his idea and the best bestiest best.

McConnell is playing this one backwards. Either he's doing so intentionally, because he knows Trump won't budge from Trump's nonsensical position or because he thinks the Democrats will somehow damage themselves in the process...or he's tired of winning and wants to go home. None of those are winners, just losing by less. I can't think of any good reason why inaction is the right move here.

[wunksta]

Trump was warned numerous times about a potential pandemic and he ignored it to save money. He spoke with Xi and downplayed the pandemic, even after he was told it was in the US, because he didn't was to jeopardize the trade deal. That's 100% on him.

[kaid]

I found this headline odd.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is calling for the Trump administration and congressional Democrats to restart negotiations on a fifth coronavirus deal after talks collapsed late last week.

"What's odd about it?"

Shouldn't McConnell be part of this? I posted recently how he was basically sitting this one out, likely chewing some kale under a basking light. Why isn't McConnell negotiating? Couldn't he and Pelosi bring a paper to Trump's desk with 90+ signatures and say "sign it or walk, fatty"?

Honestly, McConnell may be stubborn and at times even immobile, but at least he's not holding out for something unrelated like an FBI building. Trump, by contrast, is a coward. He won't veto something that'd be overridden, but instead, spin it as his idea and the best bestiest best.

McConnell is playing this one backwards. Either he's doing so intentionally, because he knows Trump won't budge from Trump's nonsensical position or because he thinks the Democrats will somehow damage themselves in the process...or he's tired of winning and wants to go home. None of those are winners, just losing by less. I can't think of any good reason why inaction is the right move here.

Mcconnel I think realizes about half his caucus would be fine to not to any deal and in fact would fight against whatever deal is made. So he basically needs the dems to bring the lion share of the votes and he really does not want to get the stink of creating a deal he knows almost has to favor the dems on him. But on the flip side his vulnerable senators are going to get eaten alive if tons of people go broke and lose their houses/apartments.

[Breccia]

And now for today's lesson in "Everything Trump accuses others of doing, he has personally done himself, only worse".

Trump tells Americans they'll have to 'learn to speak Chinese' if he loses to Biden in 2020

Trump was implying that Biden would be soft on China, though in reality the former vice president's campaign has taken a fairly hawkish stance toward Beijing.

"All they're waiting for, and China too, is that I'm defeated. Because if I'm defeated, China will own the United States," Trump told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt.

"If I don't win the election, China will own the United States—you will have to learn to speak Chinese!" Trump added.

Wanna see the...um...wanna hear the audio?

"Has the Biden campaign responded?"

Yes, they just held up 3 1/2 years of these forum posts and said "Basically, this."

As it turns out, I actually do speak some Chinese. Here, I'll give you a sample:

It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.

[eschatological]

Could not have said it better myself. Plus, they somehow don't want the world to be better for the next generation - they are the group of "we didn't have it easy, why should anyone else?"..

The problem is, they DID have it easy. Post WW2 was the best period in this country for workers and the middle class. Strong unions, high tax rates on the upper bracket.....it all meant that they could have a minimum wage job, be the only wage earner for their family of four, and still buy the house with the white picket fence, without ever going to college.

And if they DID go to college, oh boy, not only was it affordable, but it was a guaranteed path to a white collar life and the upper middle class if not the upper class.

[Zan15]

I think you are using old numbers. DeWine approval rating on how he managed the pandemic in Ohio has gone down from a high of 81% in April to 58% in July. While Trump's in Ohio went down from 51% in April to 35% in July.

THE STATE OF THE NATION:
A 50-STATE COVID-19 SURVEY
REPORT #6: UPDATE ON THE APPROVAL
OF EXECUTIVE PERFORMANCE DURING COVID-19

cherry picking polls from ghostpanther Trump supporter...no way you must be mistaken kind sir.
I mean he didn't spend 3 years only posting Fox and Rasmussen polls to only stop once they went negative....

Simple fact that some people can't comprehend that the leader of our country should be held responsible for the mess boggles my mind.

You think trump is not going to fire a CEO because a bunch of VP's fucked up to the toon of 10 billion dollars worth of profits?

[Ursus]

So this is the mind of a trump supporter huh. Explains alot.

Speaking of which, Lou Holtz (former college football coach / batshit crazy Trump supporter) was on Fox News today to talk about the college football season being postponed. One of his arguments for why they should just play like normal was that when the Allied forces stormed Normandy, the soldiers knew they had a chance of dying, but then went ahead and did it anyway. Because apparently college football is just as important as stopping Hitler, the Nazis, and the Holocaust.

There's just no way to cure stupidity like that. The only thing you can do is to wait for it to die off.

[Zan15]

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Boomers don't know how to take responsibility, hence it's an alien concept to him. Reap the benefits of the previous generation and pass the burden on to the next that's essentially the background people ghostkitty comes from.

One simple chart can tell you all you need to know about boomers.

National debt when boomers started to take over.
Lets say 40 years old since they quickly became the majority voting base by far outstripping their parents.


1986- $2,125 Trillion
1996- $5,225
2006- $8,507
2016- $19,573
Today $26.505 Trillion


The generation of "gimee gimee gimee" without paying for it has saddled us with more debt then we will ever be able to realistically pay off.

I can't wait till their SS pays them 65% of their expected amount because they refused to raise SS taxes from 1989-2020, even though it was raised 36 times before that by their parents.

[alexw]

One simple chart can tell you all you need to know about boomers.

National debt when boomers started to take over.
Lets say 40 years old since they quickly became the majority voting base by far outstripping their parents.


1986- $2,125 Trillion
1996- $5,225
2006- $8,507
2016- $19,573
Today $26.505 Trillion


The generation of "gimee gimee gimee" without paying for it has saddled us with more debt then we will ever be able to realistically pay off.

I can't wait till their SS pays them 65% of their expected amount because they refused to raise SS taxes from 1989-2020, even though it was raised 36 times before that by their parents.

To be fair that isn't the right way to look at it. Rather, the questions that need to be asked are -

What is the debt to GDP ratio now vs before the boomers took over?

And

What did they spend it on vs what did their parents spend the debt they ran up on?

Then again the answers to those questions are equally damning for the boomers, since the national debt is far higher now and they spent it on tax cuts and entitlements for themselves, whereas their parents generation borrowed and spent heavily on infrastructure and investment.

[Milchshake]

It is actually really neat that Biden was a VP to our first black president for 8 years & will now have a black female VP in his own admin.

The Democratic party is the party of diversity.

[Gorsameth]

I found this headline odd.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is calling for the Trump administration and congressional Democrats to restart negotiations on a fifth coronavirus deal after talks collapsed late last week.

"What's odd about it?"

Shouldn't McConnell be part of this? I posted recently how he was basically sitting this one out, likely chewing some kale under a basking light. Why isn't McConnell negotiating? Couldn't he and Pelosi bring a paper to Trump's desk with 90+ signatures and say "sign it or walk, fatty"?

Honestly, McConnell may be stubborn and at times even immobile, but at least he's not holding out for something unrelated like an FBI building. Trump, by contrast, is a coward. He won't veto something that'd be overridden, but instead, spin it as his idea and the best bestiest best.

McConnell is playing this one backwards. Either he's doing so intentionally, because he knows Trump won't budge from Trump's nonsensical position or because he thinks the Democrats will somehow damage themselves in the process...or he's tired of winning and wants to go home. None of those are winners, just losing by less. I can't think of any good reason why inaction is the right move here.

McConnell doesn't have control of the Senate Republicans and he hasn't had control for a very long time. Sure he can decide whether to bring bills to the floor but he can't get them on 1 line about most things. That is why Congress gets so little done, even when the GOP controlled both chambers.
He is trying to pass the buck to Trump and the Democrats because he can't make a deal in the Senate without heavily leaning into the Democrats, which the GOP base will never accept.

[Sorshen]

It is actually really neat that Biden was a VP to our first black president for 8 years & will now have a black female VP in his own admin.

The Democratic party is the party of diversity.

Ah yes, diversity over policy. 2020 is go.

[Edge-]

Ah yes, diversity over policy. 2020 is go.

I mean, she's politically more in-line with him than say a Warren or an Abrams. Are you seriously arguing she was a "diversity hire"?

[Sorshen]

I mean, she's politically more in-line with him than say a Warren or an Abrams. Are you seriously arguing she was a "diversity hire"?

That's not really what the dems needed, but whatever. Milchshake's words, not mine.

[Edge-]

That's not really what the dems needed, but whatever. Milchshake's words, not mine.

I think they were more getting at the fact that the Democratic party actually has diversity in their ranks of qualified candidates, compared to the painfully monochromatic Republican party.

And honestly, while I'd have preferred to see a more progressive VP to balance things out a bit and offer more of an olive branch to the progressive crowd, it's not as if she's a terrible pick. Boring, sure. But not bad.

[Breccia]

The Democratic party is the party of diversity.

Well hold on, the Republican Party has African-American Representatives and Senators.

Oh, wait, the only one in the House isn't running in 2020.

But there is still one African-American GOP Senator.

I guess they could turn things around, I mean, they still have Herman C...oh. Right. They killed him off.

[Milchshake]

Ah yes, diversity over policy. 2020 is go.

Your words. Sorry if you unmasked yourself as a casual bigot.

When you actually embrace the diversity of your electoral coalition, you dont have to choose. Diversity is a feature unto itself.

Harris is also the child of two immigrants. Dem policies embracing immigration are another great feature of their coalition. They're also well to the left on immigration than most EU socialist parties.

A great contrast to Trump defunding and trying to shut legal immigration to the US.