There literally isn't this "inference" anywhere. Nobody has suggested this that I've seen, just that prison sentences should reflect the nature of the crimes committed and that Bryant's prior history and his attempt to steal a pair of hedge trimmers doesn't warrant life in prison.
Sure. And he was already convicted and sentenced for both of those crimes.
And I'll say it again. If all of his felonies were violent...we would all be having a different conversation now. 3 strikes on violent offenses is something that a lot of us can at least understand.
Factoring in previous crimes into sentencing is even something I can live with. But even if you were to add the sentence for each of his prior convictions to the normal sentence for petty theft...he would have served that sentence almost twice by now.
You do understand that not all forgery is the same. Because if it were, about 80% of American teenagers should have felony records for fake IDs and forging their parent's signatures on permission slips and school reports.
150$ is not something we should imprison someone over. Ever.
1. You are assuming there is a lesson that's being taught here. There isn't. That's not the purpose of the American justice/prison system.
2. No aggregate number of crimes that would individually amount to a few years imprisonment should ever accumulate into something as dumb as life imprisonment for stealing something that costs 35 to 45 dollars at Walmart.
3. Sentencing in the US is absurd. People are overcharged and over sentenced for nonsense.
4. One more fucking time... You can't bitch and moan about giving too many second chances to someone WHEN THEY NEVER GAVE THEM A SINGLE ONE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
5. The dude is not fucking Charles Manson. He won't go on a Helter Skelter rampage. Why the shit fuck do you want to spend millions on keep him jailed? You could stick him in assisted living for less!!!!!!!!!
But you are talking about keeping him in prison because of "future crimes"
That is minority report. Yes, he got caught doing bad shit. And he served his sentence for each incident of "bad shit". And, as I have said...even if you were to stack all his previous crimes together and add it to what a normal sentence would be for the petty theft...he has already served that time and more. The punishment outweighs the severity of his crimes.
So, now all these inmates are denied the right to see their families unless said families can afford to travel to another country?
Seems like that might have an adverse effect on mental health...not just for the prisoners but their families as well.
Doesn't really seem like a "win/win"
Not sure why you'd bring China in to this. Generally speaking, I think any country should hold itself to a standard higher than China when it comes to any kind of human rights issue.
So lets' see the right-wing nonsense arguments so far;
-Insane disproportional government spending on a private corporation is only ok when it's to protect my hedge clippers
-Constitutional rights don't apply to them
-China does worse things and if we can't stop the 'bad' super power's human rights abuses there's no reason to stop the 'good' super power's human rights abuses.
-I don't care that tough on crime policies have been proven not to work on every conceivable level, Daddy Murdoch told me they are coming to do crimes at me.
Tonight for me is a special day. I want to go outside of the house of the girl I like with a gasoline barrel and write her name on the road and set it on fire and tell her to get out too see it (is this illegal)?
Once again, China has nothing to do with this discussion. Make a thread about how China handles it's prisons if that's what you want to discuss.
China does worse is not an argument for why America can't do better.
It isn't a trade off. It's a violation of their rights.Anyways you bring a good point regarding visits; that's probably the only disadvantage for such prisons. So it's kinda of a trade off that you have to weigh in.
the law also said he can get life on his third strike, and he got 5.
problem is, he is still a repeat offender, a career criminal, with no expectations of stopping. his argument to the court isn't that he will stop and try to live crime free, its essentially 'life imprisonment is cruel, i want to be free'.
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