Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
It is failing; Is Russia a Liberal Democracy, was it really ever? Is Israel still a Liberal Democracy? Is Turkey?
The US is going the same way. I prefer a Monarchy under a wise Leader than a Democracy which is falling apart currently. If Democracy become healthy again I might change my mind.
But John Adams had a lot to say on that point:
https://founders.archives.gov/docume.../99-02-02-3102Because We have no Government armed with Power capable of contending with human Passions unbridled by morality and Religion. Avarice, Ambition, Revenge or Galantry, would break the strongest Cords of our Constitution as a Whale goes through a Net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
Right so any country can have the exact same policies regardless of whether it's decided by a democracy or an absolute leader. But the only reason a person would prefer an absolute leader is if they don't truly believe that their policy ideas are the best so they need a means of forcefully keeping bad policies set in stone.
When did Russia have a liberal democracy? For fuck’s sake... there is no country that proves singular leaders lead to failure, like Russia.
What way? A leader who treats a democracy, like a dictatorship, is causing a thousand to die per day, with over 10% unemployment and riots in the street? Last I checked, 3 million more voted for Hillary... if US was more democratic, all of the failures of a leader treating him self like monarch, wouldn’t exist... but... that’s your evidence? The state of US after Trump’s abuse of executive orders? Want to think that one through a bit?The US is going the same way. I prefer a Monarchy under a wise Leader than a Democracy which is falling apart currently. If Democracy become healthy again I might change my mind.
Are you suggesting you are not moral?But John Adams had a lot to say on that point:
https://founders.archives.gov/docume.../99-02-02-3102
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
I disagree, for any two different policy values on the same topic there will always be one of them that is objectively superior in terms of solving the most problems and increasing human flourishing. If you're confident that your policy values are good then you should also have no fear that socio-economic results will corroborate your policy positions over time.
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When talking about dictators, people think about Hitler, Stalin and Chairman Mao which caused millions of death.
This is prejudice.
There are great emperors and kings in the past.
I am saying that Trump is an example of your singular leadership. I am saying that US is a constitutional democracy, not a liberal one. I am saying that Trump, is exactly why anyone claiming singular leadership as a good thing, is objectively wrong. This has nothing to do with liking Trump... 1000 dead is objectively bad... riots in the street is objectively bad... Trump is the executive order president, showing your singular leadership, to be objectively bad... when using US as an example of failure.
That’s the problem bud... most people are... they have meds for that.Yes.
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
You have literally just described various methods of selection. All leaders are selected or chosen in some manner or another. Every single one of them.
Because any argument about such selection invalidates any possibility that your rule is benevolent and advantageous to society as a whole.
You're just making an argument that would laud Hitler as one of the greatest leaders in human history.
And?
Why should anyone give a shit what you want?
Dude... we are talking righteous leadership here. Yes, people will believe these sort of leaders are righteous, even as 1000 of them dies per day. Yet... you don’t see a problem here, beyond disliking Trump? Cringe...
No, by modern standards... by the simplest golden rule...They are? By what gauge? The Biblical one Adams was using? No, they are not, not at all.
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi