Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Easo]

That's quite a blatant disregard for the rule of law there in a thread where you've been lambasting others for having no respect for the rule of law.

Bold strategy, Cotton. I don't think letting bias hang out is a convincing argument, though.

Feel free to debate about rule of law and Arab countries as much as you like.

What a stupid hill to want to die on.

Nah, a normal one where there are consequences to actions and at least some basic logic and rational thinking is used.

[Elegiac]

Feel free to debate about rule of law and Arab countries as much as you like.

I'd rather not, but I shall point out the hypocrisy in calling out disrespect for the rule of law while simultaneously shitting on UN resolutions because they happen to not go in an convenient direction. It's almost as if the pro-cop arguments are not being made in good faith. *farting noise*

Like I said though; if being a cop is so hard, quit. Or suck it up. I can confidently say that as a healthcare worker.

Nah, a normal one where there are consequences to actions and at least some basic logic and rational thinking is used.

Cool, we would like said consequences to apply to police but we have a persistent problem of people carrying water for them even in clear cases of malfeasance.

Hint.

[Shalcker]

This recent murder/mass shooting really made the fascists and those who carry water for them come out of the woodwork on this forum.

On one hand it is nice that US engages in long-warranted self-destruction.

On another hand people dying over it is still tragic, even if such suffering is perfectly justified in a broad sense.
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[Darththeo]

What's doubly hilarious is they outright admit that they don't have all the facts but still give them the benefit of the doubt just because "they can't believe" that the BLM protesters might not be in the wrong. It always comes down to that. "They can't believe", because all they consume is curated media that supports their preexisting beliefs - contradiction is elevated to the level of a personal attack.

And ironically these are many of the same folks that were complaining about safe spaces and people getting triggered. And yet it's not the SJWs arguing in circles for twelve pages on a gaming forum in defense of Baby's First Terrorist Attack.

BLM may have acted wrongly, but what does that have to do with Kyle's actions? Regardless of whether or not, the BLM rioters/protesters were acting wrongly has little bearing on whether or not Kyle was correct in his actions. You have heard the phrase two wrongs don't equal a right.

[Elegiac]

BLM may have acted wrongly, but what does that have to do with Kyle's actions? Regardless of whether or not, the BLM rioters/protesters were acting wrongly has little bearing on whether or not Kyle was correct in his actions. You have heard the phrase two wrongs don't equal a right.

You might have been misreading my post.

I am saying that this little shitstain is a terrorist regardless of whether or not BLM "did the right thing", and am pointing out that right wingers in this thread are freely admitting that despite not having all the facts about the situation they are automatically putting the guilt on the protesters because they disagree with them politically.

[Draco-Onis]

Rioters looting and destroying property - This is wrong they are taking the law into their own hands and should demonstrate peacefully.
White 17year old murders 2 people severely injures another - Well he is a hero that acted in self defense by taking the law into his own hands.

/doublefacepalm.

[Elegiac]

Rioters looting and destroying property - This is wrong they are taking the law into their own hands and should demonstrate peacefully.
White 17year old murders 2 people severely injures another - Well he is a hero that acted in self defense by taking the law into his own hands.

/doublefacepalm.

Don't forget the classic "disobeying an order from police is grounds for the death penalty" we've been seeing thrown around.

Boot leather must taste a lot better than I recall, tbh.

[Draco-Onis]

Don't forget the classic "disobeying an order from police is grounds for the death penalty" we've been seeing thrown around.

Boot leather must taste a lot better than I recall, tbh.

Indeed it is okay for black people to get shot for the smallest of reasons and here we have a person who had a weapon after killing people walk up to them after the police spent the night shooting at anyone coming close and they let him pass by. It's almost like the protesters have a point that there are two different set of rules depending on the color of your skin.

[Elegiac]

Indeed it is okay for black people to get shot for the smallest of reasons and here we have a person who had a weapon after killing people walk up to them after the police spent the night shooting at anyone coming close and they let him pass by. It's almost like the protesters have a point that there are two different set of rules depending on the color of your skin.

I shall tap the sign again:

I shall keep reposting this until it stops being true: American conservatism is predicated on the notion that there are in-groups the law protects but doesn't bind, and out-groups the law binds but doesn't protect.

What we are seeing in 2020 is the naked end result of that attitude being embraced as the GOP's operating strategy. When Republicans talk about "American citizens", y'all should keep in mind they aren't including Democrats in that statement. They have fully succumbed to a worldview in which glorious Western culture is under attack by an insidious long-running ideological infiltration dating back to before the Soviet Union in which subscribing to said ideology makes you a traitor to your country.

So pretty stock standard ur-fascist nonsense.

[JohnBrown1917]

Its important to note that non-fascists defending fascists is nothing new, late '20s/early '30s Germany is probably the most well known example of this. Its interesting to read articles written during that time, not just the ones from Germany.


Fascists by themselves are not enough, those who carry water for them often help them into power. Which is exactly what happend in 1933 when all the centre and righ-wing parties helped Hitler get into power. And don't forget the current fascist government in Bolivia also has a lot of support of people who claim to be conservative or liberal.

[Felya]

Its important to note that non-fascists defending fascists is nothing new.

Yey! Now call Biden a rapist!

[Aurrora]

Let's imagine for a moment this had a different setting. If this kid showed up at school pointing his weapon around, and one of his fellow classmates threw a half empty water bottle at him, does that justify shooting him multiple times? And if a teacher ran up and tried to take the gun away does that justify him to kill the teacher in self defense?

The kid came armed, he came looking for trouble, he came with intent to kill, he brought a weapon specifically designed for killing people, and HE KILLED TWO PEOPLE. It doesn't matter what these people had going on in their lives, it doesn't matter if they were protesting, it REALLY doesn't matter if they were out after dark (seriously, its not the purge, purge rules is not a legal defense). This was murder, pure and simple and premeditated. Stop trying to defend a murderer you racist Trump loving sociopaths, its clear as day you're only doing so because of his political views.

The difference is:
1) This wasn't a fucking school
2) Someone behind him had just discharged a firearm in his direction
3) He turned around and found someone running at him attempting to take his weapon away.

Stop defending criminals attempting to kill this kid you terrorist sympathizer.
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[Elegiac]

The difference is:
1) This wasn't a fucking school

Indeed; it was a state he should not have been in, at a time he should not have been out due to a curfew. Making it even less defensible.

Womp womp.

2) Someone behind him had just discharged a firearm in his direction

We have as much reason to believe this as we have to believe the Shake Shack poison victims.

3) He turned around and found someone running at him attempting to take his weapon away.

So?

We've already established that "your weapon is your life" is nonsense espoused by people with no clear familiarity with firearm safety.

[Felya]

This wasn't a fucking school

No, he went across state line on a school night, past curfew.

Someone behind him had just discharged a firearm in his direction

No, they didn’t.

He turned around and found someone running at him attempting to take his weapon away.

Oh no! If that guy succeeded, there wouldn’t be 2 dead people...

Stop defending criminals attempting to kill this kid you terrorist sympathizer.

You just used an excuse of someone trying to take a gun from a 17 year old, that ended up killing 2 people. If these people were actual terrorist, they would just buy Trump condos and they will have free reign to kill Americans.

[KaPe]

2) Someone behind him had just discharged a firearm in his direction

Strange how people didn't try to shoot him later, once it was confirmed he has killed someone. He even wounded a guy with a handgun who choose not to fire. Seems weirdly inconsistent with this narrative of a poor, scared kid being shoot at by unknown assailant and thus triggering lethal response.

[Elegiac]

Strange how people didn't try to shoot him later, once it was confirmed he has killed someone. He even wounded a guy with a handgun who choose not to fire. Seems weirdly inconsistent with this narrative of a poor, scared kid being shoot at by unknown assailant and thus triggering lethal response.

Nah man you're forgetting about the guy on the grassy knoll. /s

[downnola]

The last 20 pages of this thread is a testament to how many extremely irresponsible people there are that should never own or operate a firearm. The mental gymnastics on display to justify first degree murder is fucking wild.

[Bodakane]

The difference is:
1) This wasn't a fucking school
2) Someone behind him had just discharged a firearm in his direction
3) He turned around and found someone running at him attempting to take his weapon away.

Stop defending criminals attempting to kill this kid you terrorist sympathizer.

1. It wasn't implied it was a school. The poster was making an analogy.
2. Someone did discharge a gun behind him.......but where are you getting in his direction bullshit from?
3. Its funny you admit they were trying to take his gun away, but then literally in your next sentence you claim they were trying to kill him.
4. Lastly, if anyone is a terrorist sympathizer, it is you since you are defending members of a white nationalist militia, many of which are literally classified as domestic terrorists. Not pearl clutchingly called terrorists by Tucker Carlson, but by the actual FBI.

[Astalnar]

He is a underage vigilante with an unlicensed weapon, no one called for him he is not a cop, it's not his state doesn't matter if he was 1 mile away from there it's not his neighborhood. There are serial killers who saved people from drowning by your logic they are great people too who gives a flying fuck if he saved puppy from fires he came looking for trouble.

He didn't start the fight, but he sure ended it. That's called selfdefence.
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[Bodakane]

He didn't start the fight, but he sure ended it. That's called selfdefence.

What proof do you have that he didn't start the fight?

Because the evidence says otherwise.