That's exactly how I feel. It's a perfectly valid motivation for a villain or anyone really, it doesn't try to be some "for the greater good" thing. Just an individual trying get back at the system that wronged them.
Not gonna lie, if they keep Sylvanas in the Maw I want her last scene to be like the ending of that movie with Jet Li
except with her as Jet Li fighting other souls in the Maw. Haters would be happy because she lost and would never appear again, I would be happy because she got a badass send-off. Bye
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Eh, after the Bastion cinematic and Devos specifically saying Frostmourne had Maw runes and magic, I'm even more sure that shattering Frostmourne and releasing so many souls at the same time was the first "crack" in the Shadowlands (remember that time flows differently there, and what for them happened long ago could happen a few years ago in our time scale).
IMO Frostmourne and the Helm of Domination are direct crafts of the Jailer with how infused with the Maw magic they are. I think he played long-con, it's not unusual for swords to break. The sudden stream of souls infused with Maw magic could potentially harm the Arbiter in some way, "disabling" her and making the Maw grow stronger. Then he just needed someone powerful enough to fuel more souls into the Maw until the right moment, when the Jailer is strong enough to be prepared for the shattering of the veil by destroying the Helm of Domination.
I'm still 100% sure Sylvanas is being used and hopefully she will perish miserably. Having a former high elf outthink and get advantage of such a powerful cosmic-like character from the afterlife realm would be the death of WoW's lore to me.
Warcraft 3 Reign of Chaos was the game that brought me into gaming. I was 17 years old then, I abhorred gaming before this game. From then on, I became a fan of Warcraft and Blizzard. To see it all go down the drain like this is truly sad for me. No king rules forever but at least some of them went down in history as real badasses. I hoped Blizzard and Warcraft would be one of them but it is no longer possible.
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Eh, everyone has their own lines and limits. For me, even though the lore recently has been pretty bad, it wasn't THAT bad for me to say "Okay that's enough, I'm quitting this shit, I want nothing to do with this pathetic bullshit". Sylvanas beating / using the Jailer (even with good intentions) would be that line for me.
I thought Kel'Thuzad was in Maldraxxus because liches could travel between the Shadowlands and reality, presumably using their phylactery.
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Vashj wasn't a very nice woman either. She wanted to steal all the water from Zangarmarsh, and that's terrible.
Also, isn't Kel'thuzad from the Maw? We know he works for the Jailor and now I can't help but imagine him excitedly showing Sylvanas his new ghost cat at the Evil Council sessions and teasing her about how they're on the same side again after all.
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The symbolism of the challenge and how it relates to orcish culture is at the heart of it. It's metaphorically Saurfang, the face of the Horde of the past by the writers' own words, using the most Horde means of succession to reveal someone alien to that culture and succeeding. Everything from the publicity to even the value of single combat alone are key to Mak'gora. He did use it in an unconventional way, but that's a far cry from saying it's entirely incidental.
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Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.
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Curiously this is a fundamental flaw in narratives historically both in literature, history and present day scenes.
For example: If a Political leader has a scandal of an affair, their standing publicly would plummet. This is irrespective of how they conducted themselves as a leader. Their private affair has tarred their reputation in the public view even though there could be very reasonable grounds for which they had an affair. Trump has been a unique modern political leader in that his supporters are willing to overlook unsavoury characteristics in favour of another driving factor they value.
In Harry Potter - Snape was a nasty vile teacher who had it out for Harry from day 1 with seemingly no justification. Throughout the books he is seen in a negative light - he is a villain! However, he subsequently is "redeemed" as he is portrayed both as a victim (from James Potter's bullying and Voldemort's betrayal) and a hero (from protecting Harry throughout the books, taking the blame for murdering Dumbledore).
In WOW the original telling of the Orc's were as bloodthirsty savages who came war mongering to Azeroth (Villains!) and then we find out they were suffering under corruption of their leadership and the influence of Fel Power (Victim-Villains) and then they experienced a redemption arc through WC3 with Thrall.
There is an underlying desire to "Pick a side" and to decide if something is Good or Bad when in most cases in the game, it depends on what perspective you're coming from. The Undead did not CHOOSE to become Undead, and yet were persecuted relentlessly by Human's post being freed from the Scourge.
There are a very limited list of Characters who are wholly good (Uther, Fordring, Cairne/Baine) and equally a limited list of wholly evil (Archimonde, Kil'Jaeden, Hogger). Hopefully Blizzard does a good job establishing the spectrum of good/evil with this afterlife expansion and avoids using cliche deus ex machina like they did with Illidan.
You got it half right, OP.
Revendreth DOES mean a soul is redeemable, or it goes straight to the Maw. Although they don't always succeed and they go the maw anyway.
I mean if we're reduced to talking about symbolism we can say that Saurfang ditching the Orcish axe and scratching Sylvanas with an elven weapon mostly associated with a human symbolizes the world peace brigade against the cartoonish villain Sylvanas or whatever. It relates shit to Orcish culture because the duel is decided by super death magic delegated to Sylvie by some outside force (which we don't even know if it counts as a cheat but w/e) and ends with the theoretical victor peacing out leaving a power vacuum that doesn't end in a bloody mess only because this is after all an idealistic story and setting. Some efficient means of settling conflicts, that Mak'gora business, I can tell you that. As I said, they could have been fighting in front of Varian's statue in Stormwind at Anduin's invitation and it wouldn't have changed much of anything.
As for Vashj going to Maldraxxus, to be fair she's as confused as we all are at first, but it ends up fitting her like a glove. One guesses that whatever were her crimes weren't enough to punt her to Revendreth, perhaps in part because she did it all at someone else's behest.
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