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    The new novel... Madeleine Roux... either incompetent editor or incompetent writer

    How is it possible that Blizzard hires someone that constructs sentences like this?

    https://imgur.com/a/L0KGTll

    Peril, used 3 times in a fucking sentence.

    And then

    https://imgur.com/a/yIbGZOR

    And her romance on Flynn and Shaw... It's like men writing women but in reverse.

    https://imgur.com/a/HeD5ic5

    I'm sorry but I didn't like this book at all. She's good at writing cliche romances for middle aged women, but god damn, there wasn't a single thing that reminded me I was still reading a Warcraft novel. Her perspectives at writing from each character's PoV is horrific aswell.

    The fact that this got past by the editor even? Does Blizzard even try?

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    Can't speak for the third thing since that's largely a matter of taste, but in speech repetition is a useful rhetorical tool when you want to emphasize a point. Same is true of written dialogue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Overlordd View Post
    How is it possible that Blizzard hires someone that constructs sentences like this?

    https://imgur.com/a/L0KGTll

    Peril, used 3 times in a fucking sentence.

    And then

    https://imgur.com/a/yIbGZOR

    And her romance on Flynn and Shaw... It's like men writing women but in reverse.

    https://imgur.com/a/HeD5ic5

    I'm sorry but I didn't like this book at all. She's good at writing cliche romances for middle aged women, but god damn, there wasn't a single thing that reminded me I was still reading a Warcraft novel. Her perspectives at writing from each character's PoV is horrific aswell.

    The fact that this got past by the editor even? Does Blizzard even try?
    The repetition is clearly for emphasis. It's a deliberate writing technique, not just poor writing.
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    https://literarydevices.net/repetition/

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    I actually quite enjoyed the book - especially the little nugget where Baine rides a Highmountain Moose, hinting at a relationship with Mayla.

    Also can't share your criticism on the way she constructed said sentences - they are meant to emphasize, especially the second example. Can't wait to get more Warcraft books from her.

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    Maiev is reiterating a point, so using the same key phrase is well, key.

    The same can be said of the second point.

    I will agree that the writing of Shaw and Flynn was a little all over the place however. Especially the part early on where Shaw seems to be complaining about being paired up with Flynn, only for in the next few chapters for him to be falling in love with him. The speed seemed jarring considering we were just told that Flynn annoyed Shaw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    I actually quite enjoyed the book - especially the little nugget where Baine rides a Highmountain Moose, hinting at a relationship with Mayla.

    Also can't share your criticism on the way she constructed said sentences - they are meant to emphasize, especially the second example. Can't wait to get more Warcraft books from her.
    If you mean by "emphasize" to completely confuse the reader and put him out of the immersion of the book, then yeah I guess you're right.
    This is just awful writing.

    Also her sentence "have a care", an attempt at ye old writing, but then it was the only example of ye old writing that it just didn't fit into the book.
    I really hope Blizzard never hires her again.

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    Isn't this the author who wrote that you can see Stormwind from Lakeshire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overlordd View Post
    If you mean by "emphasize" to completely confuse the reader and put him out of the immersion of the book, then yeah I guess you're right.
    This is just awful writing.

    Also her sentence "have a care", an attempt at ye old writing, but then it was the only example of ye old writing that it just didn't fit into the book.
    I really hope Blizzard never hires her again.
    Maiev has always spoken in that kind of way however. It isn't something new added in just for the book. If anything it speaks of her tens of thoursands of years spent away from modern society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overlordd View Post
    How is it possible that Blizzard hires someone that constructs sentences like this?

    https://imgur.com/a/L0KGTll

    Peril, used 3 times in a fucking sentence.

    And then

    https://imgur.com/a/yIbGZOR
    Quote Originally Posted by Overlordd View Post
    If you mean by "emphasize" to completely confuse the reader and put him out of the immersion of the book, then yeah I guess you're right.
    This is just awful writing.

    You... don't read much do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    You... don't read much do you?
    Please tell me the need to emphasize the word "peril", or the fact that she had to repeat "it says" 5 fucking times?
    Do you also read a sentence and rephrase every sentence with "it says" aswell?

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    As a professional writer who has written probably 3x more than you've read, OP, you're being an idiot. This is an obvious stylistic choice, not incompetence. You could argue that the choice is childish, but it's a conscious decision, not one that was made out of error.

    Edit: I also want to say that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the line you pointed out in your third image. Were you raised by the "OMG EVERYTHING IS A PROBLEM" internet generation of articles? Is that the breadth of your reading experience? Because that's how it's coming off.

    I haven't read the book and I probably never will, so I don't care to defend it. But if these are the best examples you can point out to prove that it's a bad novel, then you've got terrible debate skills or it's not that bad of a book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Overlordd View Post
    Please tell me the need to emphasize the word "peril", or the fact that she had to repeat "it says" 5 fucking times?
    Do you also read a sentence and rephrase every sentence with "it says" aswell?
    Somebody linked you a literary devices page further up. Not our fault you forgot your year 9 creative writing lessons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Overlordd View Post
    Please tell me the need to emphasize the word "peril", or the fact that she had to repeat "it says" 5 fucking times?
    Do you also read a sentence and rephrase every sentence with "it says" aswell?
    Considering the last time the night elves let Horde anywhere near them a huge chunk of, if not the majority of, their civilian population was incinerated, I think Maiev is pretty justified in emphasizing that the night elves play nice with the Horde at their own peril. Doubly so given her own reactionary worldview, which has been well-established in every appearance she's made since Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne.

    Yes, people repeat themselves when they want to drive a point home. If you don't think this is true, I suggest watching someone give a speech or recite poetry sometime. It's hardly a new or strange literary device.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AwkwardSquirtle View Post
    Somebody linked you a literary devices page further up. Not our fault you forgot your year 9 creative writing lessons.
    quick check of posting history says much, haha

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    I'm sure there are dozens of great examples for word repetition in speeches (heck, I'm sure even wow has them in game) but the most famous is probably Martin Luther King - I Have a Dream so go check it out.

    Just a quick search
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    Mfw I barely read any books except the wow ones and even I know repetition is a technique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overlordd View Post
    How is it possible that Blizzard hires someone that constructs sentences like this?

    https://imgur.com/a/L0KGTll

    Peril, used 3 times in a fucking sentence.

    And then

    https://imgur.com/a/yIbGZOR

    And her romance on Flynn and Shaw... It's like men writing women but in reverse.

    https://imgur.com/a/HeD5ic5

    I'm sorry but I didn't like this book at all. She's good at writing cliche romances for middle aged women, but god damn, there wasn't a single thing that reminded me I was still reading a Warcraft novel. Her perspectives at writing from each character's PoV is horrific aswell.

    The fact that this got past by the editor even? Does Blizzard even try?
    Well first, that peril thing is obviously intended to put am emphasis on it. That is quite common tbh. Second one same.

    And the romance was probably intentionally short to not burden the fragile mind of the average wow novel reader^^

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    It's called repetition, and it's a thing.
    https://examples.yourdictionary.com/...n-writing.html
    https://thejohnfox.com/repetition-examples/
    https://literaryterms.net/when-and-h...se-repetition/

    This took me like 5 seconds to look up.


    And idk what your argument with the last image is.
    Do you believe men don't have a sense of smell or what?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Overlordd View Post
    Peril, used 3 times in a fucking sentence.
    You're neglecting the fact that this is dialogue, not narrative. So grammatical rules and such go out the window because this is a reflection of how the character speaks. Same goes for your second example.

    Quote Originally Posted by Overlordd View Post
    And her romance on Flynn and Shaw... It's like men writing women but in reverse.
    The funny thing about your criticism... most same-sex romance novels involving men are actually written by women.

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