Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Belize]

Yes, i'm aware that American prison sentences are just as insane as American weapon laws.

As opposed to Russia's insane window and tea safety regulations.

It's crazy how many people either fall out of windows or get poisoned by bad tea, especially those that disagree with the government!

[Shalcker]

Terrorists tend to get live in most countries.

If they will be able to prove such intent. Even then, i consider cumulative sentencing barbaric.

But given that this guy had "blue lives matter" leanings repeat of Fields case seems unlikely.

[JohnBrown1917]

If they will be able to prove such intent. Even then, i consider cumulative sentencing barbaric.

But given that this guy had "blue lives matter" leanings repeat of Fields case seems unlikely.

They already did with James Fields.

[Shalcker]

As opposed to Russia's insane window and tea safety regulations.

Yeah, yeah, as opposed to US where important people just "oops" hang themselves in a prison.

It's crazy how many people either fall out of windows or get poisoned by bad tea, especially those that disagree with the government!

I think if you would run actual numbers you would find them quite lacking "crazyness".

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They already did with James Fields.

As i said, i don't see how that case can be repeated here.

[Endus]

How can in-white conflict be about "skin color"?

Because it isn't "in-white conflict". The protests in which this was set was about the police brutalization and victimization of black Americans.

Do you think that all defenders of Kyle are supporters of "we must secure .. future for white children" or something?

In short, yes. The only real alternative is that they're grossly willfully ignorant and for some reason unwilling to make even a basic effort to learn the facts. But that generally means the first.

I mean... no.

That isn't how that works at all in terms of self defense...even slightly.

And yet, you can't make an argument that supports that.

The Wisconsin self defense law, which I've linked at least three times now, clearly contradicts you on this. You don't get to rewrite the law to suit your feels.

[Bodakane]

He went there with explicit intent of putting himself in harms way. Then is now using the threat of harm as a defense.

[Darththeo]

Why do you think he is not allowed open carry, if state in which he is in allows open carry?

As i noted above, and as i understand it, for his specific age range law is not entirely clear about it, and thus likely (but not guaranteed) to be ruled in his favor.

You can't open carry if you are under 18 unless you are at a target range or hunting. The law in Wisconsin is clear on WHEN someone under 18 can open carry.

I don't see how anyone can say "it isn't clear." It is one of the clearest laws I have read. It's no except in these specific circumstances. What's unclear about that?

[Mayhem]

He went there with explicit intent of putting himself in harms way. Then is now using the threat of harm as a defense.

Oh, right, he even said so himself in an interview.

[Draco-Onis]

But it is certainly much more indicative as to what kind of argument they are going to make.

It's the only argument they could make he is facing life in prison.

[Shalcker]

It's the only argument they could make he is facing life in prison.

There doesn't seem to be anything widely available that contradicts their version of events.

[Daedius]

You'd think some people here would want police to be like this;

[Felya]

You'd think some people here would want police to be like this;

I think the problem is that we have this:

[s_bushido]

I think the problem is that we have this:

Just a few bad apples, bro. It's not like this guy has a position of power within the organization, or anything.

[Daedius]

I think the problem is that we have this:

Yes that is disgusting, and I'm sure many Police disagree with him. Had to stop with the TYT follow up though, ain't listening to their tripe.

On a side note, certainly doesn't help when the DA of Portland refuses to process rioters on criminal charges whom end up back on the streets to commit more rioting.

[Felya]

Just a few bad apples, bro. It's not like this guy has a position of power within the organization, or anything.

But you see... this is the same cop that kneeled with protestors 10 days ago and then stood behind the Kenosha police Chief, as he was making his statement a couple of days ago. Yes, the good cop from 10 days ago kneeling with protestors, is now the same cop in the video above... talking about concentration camps for people who don’t finish Highschool.

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Yes that is disgusting, but I'm sure many Police disagree with him. Had to stop with the TYT follow up though, ain't listening to their tripe.

I agree with the last part... I had to skip several, where they do the intro... I wanted to show the raw footage, without them framing it for you first. It’s the best I could do... I did try...

[Themius]

Yes that is disgusting, and I'm sure many Police disagree with him. Had to stop with the TYT follow up though, ain't listening to their tripe.

On a side note, certainly doesn't help when the DA of Portland refuses to process rioters on criminal charges whom end up back on the streets to commit more rioting.

He’s still there even after that...

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The argument "number of officers that were guilty of misconduct" is especially bonkers considering qualified immunity exists and officers being differently treated under the law not only because of their profession but also because of who they dealt with (talking about minorities here if it isn't obvious).

Ya the system is built in a way that they can get away with all kinds of shit that would screw with the numbers that along with the easy to find stuff like how the us has so many more police killings and the worlds largest jail population paint a pretty clear picture of your chances of being victimized being way higher then the rest of the first world.

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Yes that is disgusting, and I'm sure many Police disagree with him.

If they disagree with him they should do every thing in his power to get him out of the force up to refusing to work under him in way.

If they aren’t willing to do as such they cant be good cops.

[Krakan]

Eli Valley did a great piece on this whole shitshow.

It's a cool picture but is there a movement asking for democrats to denounce violence? The most I've seen is people begging the DA of the afflicted cities to press charges.

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Just gonna post this here as the other thread was closed as soon as I finished typing and it applies to this one to.



Compare America to the rest of the First world world it out paces most country’s on police killings (rather it was justified or not) an insanely huge prison population and this last one is just guess as I don’t feel like looking it up but I’d guess it has far more misconduct reports.

The numbers don’t lie either the police are just worse then most of the first world and have a system made to support them even when they are in the wrong or America’s are the worse people on the planet and the police are totally justified for cracking down on them so much harder. These are the only to opinions you have to pick one.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ers_by_country

When you say most of the world do you mean the west or places like Africa the middle east and china as well?

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.............Reading this post reminded me of the Michael Drejka case. For those who don't remember he was arguing/yelling at a woman over a parking spot (I think she parked in a handicap spot while not being handicapped). Her husband seeing what he thought was his wife being threatened came up and pushed him into the ground. Michael then pulled out his gun and shot the husband... killing him (when the gun was drawn the guy started to back away... but Michael shot him anyway).

If I remember correctly... that state had a stand your ground law.... and he still got convicted for manslaughter over it. Given that... I'm struggling very much seeing how when it comes down to it how people can not see that Kyle should face conviction for this. Only way I can see it is if you use the fact that he is a minor.... (and thus his poor judgement from the fact that he is a minor should be taken into consideration) and I don't think that is enough to justify the 3 victims not seeing justice done.

He should face conviction for fleeing the state and illegally carrying a weapon but the key difference in your example and what happened at no point did his attacker reliant or show hesitant barring the one who had most of his arm blown off.

[Edge-]

When you say most of the world

Compare America to the rest of the First world world it out paces most country’s on police killings (rather it was justified or not) an insanely huge prison population and this last one is just guess as I don’t feel like looking it up but I’d guess it has far more misconduct reports.

The numbers don’t lie either the police are just worse then most of the first world and have a system made to support them even when they are in the wrong or America’s are the worse people on the planet and the police are totally justified for cracking down on them so much harder. These are the only to opinions you have to pick one.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ers_by_country

You're forgetting an important adjective there.

[Krakan]

You're forgetting an important adjective there.

Fair enough my bad. Though to be fair I think china qualifies as a first world country

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Terrorists tend to get live in most countries.

They do but I don't see anything that occured as a political act at least not a intentional.