Will any bosses in Naxxramas be difficult in the beginning?

[Pohut]

Yea, that's just BS. Not even close to 80% of guilds has even done full clear yet, let alone done it the first week.

Don't worry. Somebody already did all the calculations for you.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ave-cleared-it

Further down the 1st page you can read that the number is actually 80%+.

[goldlock]

By classic standards yes... as quite a few have basic pass fail checks when it comes to wipes. I would say it will roughly be on par with heroic on live. Horseman might be a issue since you need so many geared tanks/offtanks

[Jurwi]

Don't worry. Somebody already did all the calculations for you.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ave-cleared-it

Further down the 1st page you can read that the number is actually 80%+.

"It's actually more like 85% down to ~80%." Those calculations? Damn. Guess I can't deny obvious facts!

[arkanon]

By classic standards yes... as quite a few have basic pass fail checks when it comes to wipes. I would say it will roughly be on par with heroic on live. Horseman might be a issue since you need so many geared tanks/offtanks

LFR - its on par with LFR - harder bosses comparable to the simple tank n spank normal bosses.

[goldlock]

LFR - its on par with LFR - harder bosses comparable to the simple tank n spank normal bosses.

LFR without determination and I would agree.

[Nitros14]

Don't worry. Somebody already did all the calculations for you.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ave-cleared-it

Further down the 1st page you can read that the number is actually 80%+.

That's the number that's cleared C'thun. 9/9 is cleared. A few days ago the number of guilds 9/9 was 53%.

[munkeyinorbit]

That's just being misinformed.

AQ which is overall easier than Naxxramas hasn't been full cleared (9/9) by the average, few hours per week guilds. And you expect Naxxramas which is harder, and has nearly twice as many bosses, and vastly more trash to be done in 5h?

Yea, you're spot on. /s

Your right. It'll prob take a couple of nights for those shit guilds if AQ40 is any indication. So prob 6 hours. Naxx is on par with LFR on retail.

[epLe]

Let's use 4 Horsemen as an example, in Vanilla beside from the tactical approach, all top-end guilds struggled to kill them originally before the 100th mark, which caused a hard-wipe.

On pServers, the top guilds killed it before mark 50 on their first kill, due to very poor tuning.

Which basicly tells us that enrage timers in Vanilla naxx was tuned so much more around the current gear than on pServers.
When comparing the current Classic raids then to the pServer versions, I'd guess the 4 Horsemen dies on mark 30something.

So If the boss will be hard or not in the Classic-TBC, all depends wether it is tuned as poorly as it was on pServers, as badly as current raids in Classic.
Or if we get the original Vanilla tuned instance.

[Thundering]

for the normal good raider it will not be easy.

[Equoowe]

So If the boss will be hard or not in the Classic-TBC, all depends wether it is tuned as poorly as it was on pServers, as badly as current raids in Classic.
Or if we get the original Vanilla tuned instance.

Tuned badly = Classic raids are tuned how they were in 1.12.

[epLe]

Tuned badly = Classic raids are tuned how they were in 1.12.

This 1.12 problem is a huge part of it for sure, just is misleading as most of the changes happened during other patches.
Each raid should have been tuned to feel like they did at their original patch(enrage timers, dps output, etc), not 1.12 version for them all.

[WrongCracker]

It's all about preparation for the most part. Resist gear is something most raiders are already starting to think about, +21 Frost Resist rings are about 150-200g on my server. 4 Horsemen is cheesed with the ZG spell hit Trinket that serious guilds farmed for all their DPS warriors and the min-max nature of Classic already destroys the DPS requirements for Patchwerk and Loatheb.

The hardest ones for the "average" guild will be Heigen and Thaddius where the mechanics are oneshots if you mess them up. Heigen's dance is a lot more dangerous than it was in the Wrath version and Thaddius requires all 40 to be paying attention and positioned perfectly. Sapphiron will mess up anyone who tries to brute force her with no resist gear.

Unsure on Razuvious, if an MC misses it can mean wipe so best hope your priests have their hit gear. Gothik, Grobulus, the Spider Wing and KT will be pushovers.

The bosses and raid will be cleared in 1:30 Classic is a meme, its not hard. Nothing in classic is challenging its a joke

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Patchwerk, Four Horsemen, and KT will be the three to watch. Patchwerk especially, since he's a damage sponge not a mechanical fight. Mechanical fights you can practice and addon through, damage sponges you need to actually play well.

[Lubefist]

Patchwerk, Four Horsemen, and KT will be the three to watch. Patchwerk especially, since he's a damage sponge not a mechanical fight. Mechanical fights you can practice and addon through, damage sponges you need to actually play well.

You trying to tell me that in the age of every mouthbreather min maxing the shit out of their char dps check like Patchwerk is gonna be an issue?

[Mazza]

Patchwerk, Four Horsemen, and KT will be the three to watch. Patchwerk especially, since he's a damage sponge not a mechanical fight. Mechanical fights you can practice and addon through, damage sponges you need to actually play well.

A ton of guilds had the dps requirements to kill Patchwerk at the start of BWL. I really don't think he will pose any relevant challenge with ppl decked out in BWL/AQ40 gear.

[Nitros14]

A ton of guilds had the dps requirements to kill Patchwerk at the start of BWL. I really don't think he will pose any relevant challenge with ppl decked out in BWL/AQ40 gear.

Loatheb is the boss with the highest dps check.

Patchwerk was always about whether the healers could keep the tanks up, never really about enrage timer.

World buffs will trivialize both of them, which is why most private servers disabled world buffs on Naxxramas release for a while.

[Stumps]

It was never hard people were just stupid and most people were playing on dial up internet.

Holy crap, exactly how long ago do you think Vanilla was??!!

[cparle87]

Holy crap, exactly how long ago do you think Vanilla was??!!

Was cable common in your area in '06? We didn't get it in ours until '08.

[Sialina]

For prepared guilds it'll be easy, they have all the information, everything prepared, they've farmed AQ40 for way longer than most guilds ever did on live, tactics are known, so they can attack every fight fully buffed, that was never possible during current progression. For the unprepared guilds Loatheb will be a nasty surprise, and for guilds carrying many dumbdumbs Thaddius will mess things up. 4HM won't pose much of a problem as every guild has known it was coming since classic was released, when we reached it in vanilla we knew about the 8 tank thing for about 2 weeks prior to getting there, knowing over a year in advance gives you a very different starting position.

[mmocfd1b0ab5a3]

Loatheb is the boss with the highest dps check.

Patchwerk was always about whether the healers could keep the tanks up, never really about enrage timer.

Which was or will never be an issue for any healer with T2 gear. With T2 anyone can spam heals for 3-5 minutes.