Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Felya]

He had already shot someone and was by defenition an active shooter.

Oh, did you miss the part where they demand we treat the two shootings as two different and independent events?

[Coolthulhu]

He had already shot someone and was by defenition an active shooter.

Someone who tried to grab his gun? Besides, the NYT says:

Mr. Rittenhouse’s gunfire is mixed in with the sound of at least 16 other gunshots that ring out during this time.

So he can't be treated as your typical "active shooter", not if you want to maintain a modicum of intellectual honesty at least.

[Felya]

So he can't be treated as your typical "active shooter", not if you want to maintain a modicum of intellectual honesty at least.

As the guy running around with a gun? Yes, that’s exactly what it means... it’s why I keep using the school teacher that got shot by a school shooter... guess what, he also heard gun shots and then attacked the first person he saw with a gun... which I guess the school shooter shot him in “self defense”...

Edit: Do you think in school shootings or just massacres, the people who try to stop the shooter, are excluded as the shooter acting in self defense?

Edit 2: I guess, they would have to prove they knew he was the shooter from the grave... otherwise, the murderer acted in self defense.

[SirBeef]

not if you want to maintain a modicum of intellectual honesty at least.

Cute coming from you.

[Felya]

Cute coming from you.

Maybe they are necromancers and will resurrect the dead, so they can also argue self defense...

Edit:

“Did you feel threatened? Why is that?”
“Seeing as I’m dead, I think it’s obvious”

[Bodakane]

Yes you did. I can keep quoting myself, you know.

Listen Bad Faith Poster #325, I didn't write the quotes of yours I posted. I linked what you said. I'm accusing you of jumping into this discussion, making false claims like he was tackled or tripped, then walking those claims back but not completely discounting them. If you think you've showed my accusations against you are false, then there really must be a severe language barrier.

1. Glad you're at least able to admit it was a bad idea. As to me personally, I don't consider them heroes, I consider them suicidal. That doesn't mean I'm siding with the shooter, who shouldn't have been there in the first place.

2. He probably was there go intimidate people and potentially start violence, but that has to be proven. He claimed he was there to protect a property that was indeed set on fire the night before, as per McGinnis' admission. He shouldn't have been there for a variety of reasons, but there's that.

3. An active shooter in a school setting is not what happened here. In fact the term active shooter doesn't apply to this case for the reasons below.

4. It did look like he fell because of the pursuit, the rest is irrelevant.

5. But he wasn't a school shooter, it was two sides clashing with one another. So, not heroic, just suicidal.

6. Give me a break. They are going after him for political reasons, which would be justified if they only went after the fact that he wasn't supposed to be there in the first place. The fatal shootings happened when, and I quote the criminal complaint,





You made a big fuss over the possibility that he might or not have been tripped or tackled when that's not the point, as I stated time and again. The relevant parts are the attempts to grab the gun and the aggression. Huber was shot after he swinged a skateboard at Rittenhouse's head and grabbed his gun.





There are no pictures that I could find for the first shooting but there's the testimony, and there's consistency between the shots being fired after getting approached/attacked and an attempt at grabbing his weapon.
That being said, admitting I knew little about it makes me the contrary of a bad faith poster. The reason you claim me to be a bad faith poster is as political as the motives for people pretending that Rittenhouse wasn't in danger when he fired, and if you claim that there's nothing dangerous about being on the ground, you head having been hit with a skateboard and someone having his hands on the barrel of your gun, well how would we call that... bad faith?

1. I don't care what you personally think. I'm telling you if that had been almost any other participants and location the people screaming for Kyle's innocence would want him dead.

2. I mean I get your point, if you take away the white nationalist militia and their confirmed tactics at every other protest they've shown up at, coming in from out of town, using an illegal weapon, wearing gloves, being literal vigilantes, shooting three people, killing two, then fleeing the scene and then state.....then there's literally no evidence he was there to provoke violence.....

3. It absolutely applies. He shot and killed Rosenbaum. Then attempted flee the scene of the crime when others were trying to keep him there. The he tripped on his own. Then shot two more people. That is an active shooter.

4. He was pursued because he just murdered someone and was running the fuck away.

5. And? They were only clashing because the white nationalists showed up specifically to clash and just because they were clashing doesn't;t mean shooting someone is less wrong than in a school.

6. Fuck your break. You don;t deserve one, first of all, BFP #325, secondly you don;t even fully understand the timeline of the events so you shouldn't;t be arguing about this shit at all, let alone assigning blame in the sides politicizing this.

The only time anyone made contact with Kyle was AFTER he shot Rosenbaum and attempted to flee the crime scene. Learn the events, then come back and spew your crap.

[BlackDruid96]

People should have let the police handle this instead of chasing someone with a gun, that is rather foolish

[Bodakane]

People should have let the police handle this instead of chasing someone with a gun, that is rather foolish

The person with the gun and the rest of the white nationalist militia he showed up with, should have let the police handle the protest.

[Kathandira]

People should have let the police handle this instead of chasing someone with a gun, that is rather foolish

That is sorta the whole reason the protests are happening in the first place. The trust in the police is gone. The way the police have been treating protests in cities in the U.S., there is no reason to have any faith that the police would do anything to help them. Rather, it is more likely that the police will make matters worse.

[KaPe]

That is sorta the whole reason the protests are happening in the first place. The trust in the police is gone. The way the police have been treating protests in cities in the U.S., there is no reason to have any faith that the police would do anything to help them. Rather, it is more likely that the police will make matters worse.

Trust in police might be gone, but there's even less trust in armed white vigilantes - especially those who travel from a different state, with firearms they are not allowed to use and are far too chummy with the police anyway.

E: Not quite the point, my bad.

[Kathandira]

Trust in police might be gone, but there's even less trust in armed white vigilantes - especially those who travel from a different state, with firearms they are not allowed to use and are far too chummy with the police anyway.

E: Not quite the point, my bad.

Indeed. So protesters have the police that are willing to harm them, and they have armed civilians who are willing to harm them. It is an ugly situation.

[Orange Joe]

bad faith?

About that skateboard pic..... There is video of the incident. He doesn't hit him with the board. He uses it as a shield while trying to take the gun from him.



For someone supposedly not right wing you sure regurgitate a lot of their talking points.

[Themius]

People should have let the police handle this instead of chasing someone with a gun, that is rather foolish

The police who were thanking them and giving white nationalist water?????

The police who TOLD WHITE NATIONALIST TO POST UP IN AN AREA then moved protesters towards them.

Kettleing protesters into white nationalist with guns.

Those police???

[Noxx79]

People should have let the police handle this instead of chasing someone with a gun, that is rather foolish

Being as they let the murderer get away and walked right by him, how can you have ANY faith the police are the the slightest bit competent?

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Someone who tried to grab his gun? Besides, the NYT says:


So he can't be treated as your typical "active shooter", not if you want to maintain a modicum of intellectual honesty at least.

Why the fuck not?

[BlackDruid96]

That is sorta the whole reason the protests are happening in the first place. The trust in the police is gone. The way the police have been treating protests in cities in the U.S., there is no reason to have any faith that the police would do anything to help them. Rather, it is more likely that the police will make matters worse.

Chasing after a guy with a gun who just shot someone instead of trusting the police to handle it is mind boggling.

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The police who were thanking them and giving white nationalist water?????

The police who TOLD WHITE NATIONALIST TO POST UP IN AN AREA then moved protesters towards them.

Kettleing protesters into white nationalist with guns.

Those police???

Why were they trying to flag the police if they didn't want the police involved?

[Bodakane]

Chasing after a guy with a gun who just shot someone instead of trusting the police to handle it is mind boggling.

Yeah, it was pretty cool how the police did their jobs that night.......

[Kathandira]

Chasing after a guy with a gun who just shot someone instead of trusting the police to handle it is mind boggling.

When you can't trust the police, what should you do?

[Themius]

When you can't trust the police, what should you do?

Accept the taste of boots.

[BlackDruid96]

When you can't trust the police, what should you do?

If your option is not to trust the police, what option are you left with, chasing him down an doing mob justice? What was the end game plan?

[downnola]

If your option is not to trust the police, what option are you left with, chasing him down an doing mob justice? What was the end game plan?

Vigilante justice = good.
Mob justice = bad.

derp.