So dying is just...living in another realm?

[Soulwind]

Do the people in this thread realize that the Shadowlands look terrible, awful, and all that.... because the machine of Death has been broken by this expansion's main villain? Meaning that the Shadowlands wouldn't be so bad if the machine upon which it is build was not in ruins, forcing the various covenants to make drastic choices.

Maldraxxus was eternal mandatory enlistment before the machine of Death broke.

Bastion forced people to forget themselves and become true lawful robots before the machine of Death broke.

And the Maw is, and has always been, hell.

Only Revendreth and Ardenweald have somewhat positive outlooks, and even then, they pretty much override and disregard the culture and beliefs of those who are sent there.

Maybe among the other "infinite" realms, there are some decent ones, but the ones we're visiting are pretty bad by default.

[Varodoc]

Maldraxxus was eternal mandatory enlistment before the machine of Death broke.

Bastion forced people to forget themselves and become true lawful robots before the machine of Death broke.

And the Maw is, and has always been, hell.

Only Revendreth and Ardenweald have somewhat positive outlooks, and even then, they pretty much override and disregard the culture and beliefs of those who are sent there.

Maybe among the other "infinite" realms, there are some decent ones, but the ones we're visiting are pretty bad by default.

Completely subjective. Several races would certainly enjoy an afterlife of eternal fighting and glory, or an afterlife in which you ascend to purity. That's the purpose of the Arbiter, to send the people who would enjoy these afterlives there.

[Garymorilix]

Did you miss "the popular idea of afterlife" part of that post? Tsk tsk tsk Shadowlands aren't the sterotypical afterlife and that was my point.



The point would be not to make an expansion based on the afterlife in the first place. Fucking duh

Safe for maybe Chronicles of Narnia I can't think of any popular property that portrayed the afterlife in a satisfying way.

Okay so your whole argument is "I don't like it therefore it shouldn't exist".

Which, by the way, has nothing to do with what this thread is actually about.
We have provided you the actual answers, it's not our fault you refuse to accept reality.

I also think Greek mythology especially is pretty popular with main-stream audiences so there's that also.

[bagina]

Okay so your whole argument is "I don't like it therefore it shouldn't exist".

Which, by the way, has nothing to do with what this thread is actually about.
We have provided you the actual answers, it's not our fault you refuse to accept reality.

I also think Greek mythology especially is pretty popular with main-stream audiences so there's that also.

Uhh? The thread is about how Shadowlands are super shitty and underwhelming as an afterlife and my posts are about that. Come on, aside from Tartar/Maw parallels (and I'm talking about "good" afterlife in shadowlands, not hell) Greek afterlife is nowhere near the Bastion or Shadowlands unless you're talking about aesthetics and count togas as a similarity.

What reality?

[Garymorilix]

Uhh? The thread is about how Shadowlands are super shitty and underwhelming as an afterlife and my posts are about that. Come on, aside from Tartar/Maw parallels (and I'm talking about "good" afterlife in shadowlands, not hell) Greek afterlife is nowhere near the Bastion or Shadowlands unless you're talking about aesthetics and count togas as a similarity.

What reality?

And why would it be? The 4 planes that we get to side with all have a function beyond death. Ardenweald is for rebirth, Revendreth for atonement, Maldraxxus for military and Bastion for ferrying souls.

We do have an example of a peaceful version of an afterlife and that is Bwonsamdi's Da Other Side.
It is literally what you would consider "troll heaven".

[crakerjack]

I wouldn't suggest getting too involved with the lore. While I'll still follow the story, I treat it like a roller coaster and don't try to think about it logically. Trying to apply logic in a video game, let alone a fantasy game just seems like I'd be running myself in circles.

[Sofo1]

Is this a new foreign concept to you ?

[Lodreh]

I'm curious what the connection between Anima, Blood Magic, Soul Magic, and Fel (Soul Powered) devices could be. Seems like a lot of things need to be clarified on these interdependences. Likewise, if souls can be permanently destroyed then what is the mechanism to create them? I know magic is a common hand-wave explanation but it would be unsatisfying if that is the only answer we get.

[Shaetha]

This is basically what like 70% of the population of the real world believes happens in real life too. With the difference that real life religions believe everyone gets to keep their memories.

Somehow that didn't stop anyone to mourn death...what a nonsensical thread

People that make threads like these could get the most perfect game they could possibly imagine, and they would move the goal posts to create a complaint. Some people just want to bitch.

[Vynestra]

When you die in wow, your soul leaves your body and is ferried off to the shadowlands by the ascended kyrian - Then your soul is sent to one of 5 places that we currently know of anyway, maybe more that we haven't met. Your soul then "lives on" in the shadowlands, in the afterlife essentially.

However your soul is basically just energy, and like ursoc can be snuffed out completely, that's anima essentially. If your soul "dies" or gets turned into energy/anima or destroyed, then your gone forever, but until then your soul is your collective consciousness from when you were alive.

[Gaidax]

I'm curious what the connection between Anima, Blood Magic, Soul Magic, and Fel (Soul Powered) devices could be. Seems like a lot of things need to be clarified on these interdependences. Likewise, if souls can be permanently destroyed then what is the mechanism to create them? I know magic is a common hand-wave explanation but it would be unsatisfying if that is the only answer we get.

I imagine we will get more on that down the road. There is a mention of the "First Ones" in Shadowlands, being that predate Titans. I guess it's another 3 expansion thread until we finally get to unravel that.

[Shaetha]

Uhh? The thread is about how Shadowlands are super shitty and underwhelming as an afterlife and my posts are about that. Come on, aside from Tartar/Maw parallels (and I'm talking about "good" afterlife in shadowlands, not hell) Greek afterlife is nowhere near the Bastion or Shadowlands unless you're talking about aesthetics and count togas as a similarity.

What reality?

If you need to worry about something pointless, worry about what happens if people die in the Shadowlands. This alone completely invalidates any point you were trying to make.

It's a video game. It's not real life. The story has to tell you every individual thing that happens. There is no investigation into a world of fiction. Nothing exists unless the writers want you to know. If you're going to be adversarial for no reason, at least go all the way and apply this: "Never trust anything your enemy wants you to know."

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However your soul is basically just energy, and like ursoc can be snuffed out completely, that's anima essentially. If your soul "dies" or gets turned into energy/anima or destroyed, then your gone forever, but until then your soul is your collective consciousness from when you were alive.

Well, you're gone forever until the story needs you again. It's a fantasy story. The writers can do anything they want as long as they can create a reason.

[Syegfryed]

If the dead can gain new bodies in the Shadowlands apparently, the question is can they have children?

That'd be really odd when you think about it.

probably yes, i mean there is native races there who have children just fine

shadowlands apparently is just an elevated state of the mortal soul, there your soul can rly die. i think its a common concept, that the mortal world is just the beginning, or the first stage.

[LemonDemonGirl]

I agree - It's such a depressing afterlife. Even when you die you're stuck with all the political infighting and faction bullshit.

Imagine you finally die IRL, and then in death you're dragged into a political fight between Ghost-Reagan and Ghost-Henry the 8th arguing over taxes.

Yeah, I just want to hang out with cool people who died long before I was born. Not some 'fight for the Afterlife' BS

At least the troll Afterlife is real though, right?

It's a total mindscrew. Imagine living your life and thinking that you'll be someone cool after you die. But nope, its several organized realms. And imagine the sheer horror hat at any time they could just 'kill' you and feed your essence to someone/thing else.

It'd be like being unplugged from the Matrix

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And why would it be? The 4 planes that we get to side with all have a function beyond death. Ardenweald is for rebirth, Revendreth for atonement, Maldraxxus for military and Bastion for ferrying souls.

We do have an example of a peaceful version of an afterlife and that is Bwonsamdi's Da Other Side.
It is literally what you would consider "troll heaven".

Hmm... Maybe Bwonboi just made it because he though the other afterlife realms suck, and he wanted a cozy place for his troll pals?

[bagina]

It's a video game. It's not real life. The story has to tell you every individual thing that happens. There is no investigation into a world of fiction. Nothing exists unless the writers want you to know. If you're going to be adversarial for no reason, at least go all the way and apply this: "Never trust anything your enemy wants you to know."

Why do you feel the need to point out the fucking obvious to me? Where do you think you are? "Worry"? Do you think this is something that doesn't let me sleep at night or what? I come here when I feel like talking about Sylvanas or WoW in general. This is a place where people express their opinions, I'm allowed to call Shadowlands a shitty take on afterlife, and consider afterlife a bad subject for an expansion too. I'm allowed to not like some parts of WoW. And it doesn't make my posts any less valid than yours.

[Eldrathian]

They said that when you are a soul and you die in the Shadowlands, your soul dies and you are wiped from existence. That's what happened to Ursoc. He's now completely erased and can't ever come back. His soul doesn't even exist anymore.

Yet apparently enough of him remained to make this post.

[Kauko]

That you can die in the Afterlife. A plane which should've been ones last destination. What happens to the souls who "die" in afterlife, do they move on to another realm of dead souls? It's just a huge cluster fuck.

They are DEAD. They can't die. Through the story of the zones you get to know what happens to them when they die in the world of the living. There is no cluster fu**... Read!

[Rathwell]

They are DEAD. They can't die.

This is untrue. You can die in the Shadowlands. If you do, your soul is obliterated and you can't come back. It's sort of a "true" death. Die on Azeroth, and you end up in the Shadowlands. Die in the Shadowlands, and you're just gone forever.

[shadowmatrix]

Between the ghosts, resurrections, wisps, and the Trolls just flat out finding new bodies for their souls you shouldn't be surprised by this in any way.

BTW as an adventurer you can't say shit to anyone about death meaning little, now run back to your body so we can get this next pull in.

[Makabreska]

Peeps should be used to this concept after Dragon Ball. :v