Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Shalcker]

And you realize by the time Gaige and Kyle got to each other, Kyle already killed someone, right?

So if you rush to gun down someone with people shouting "he killed! get him!" that's perfectly fine in your opinion? (because why else would you pull a gun)

There isn't a comparison here. Your fixation on making Gaige sound just as guilty as Kyle is flat out ridiculous at this point, the situation was already escalated BY Kyle, he was being chased because he killed someone.

Do you honestly see lunging at someone with a gun as attempt for de-escalation rather then escalating it further?
Do you seriously expect for Kyle to just lay down and accept being potentially gunned down, with gun right in front of his face, while calls to kill him are heard around?
They aren't talking, Kyle cannot run as he is sitting on the ground, there is less then half a second to decide wherever to shoot or not.

If you go with "who started" then situation was initially escalated by Rosenbaum, the rest flew from there.

[Cizr]

I don't know about you, but if you have to give a cheesy way to get around a paywalled article, chances are you can't claim it's "easy".

And again, the article says nothing about him pointing a gun at Kyle. Just that he had one.




You realize no matter how you try to frame it that "they're both the same!", there's a reason one has charges of murder and other crimes, while the other doesn't.

I am not trying to frame that "they're both the same!". I am debunking stuff you got wrong and saying that Gaige gave Kyle two choices. Either shoot Gaige or let Gaige attack him. If he did not lunge at him with his gun he would not get shot - just like other people around (who were not attacking Kyle) did not get shot.

[Jester Joe]

So if you rush to gun down someone with people shouting "he killed! get him!" that's perfectly fine in your opinion? (because why else would you pull a gun)

Do you honestly see lunging at someone with a gun as attempt for de-escalation rather then escalating it further?
Do you seriously expect for Kyle to just lay down and accept being potentially gunned down, with gun right in front of his face, while calls to kill him are heard around?
They aren't talking, Kyle cannot run as he is sitting on the ground, there is less then half a second to decide wherever to shoot or not.

If you go with "who started" then situation was initially escalated by Rosenbaum, the rest flew from there.

Again, you're ignoring that he just gunned down someone else, and you're still trying to pin the blame on others.

Perhaps if he didn't want to be surrounded by people in a situation like that, he shouldn't have shot and killed a person prior to that.

I am not trying to frame that "they're both the same!". I am debunking stuff you got wrong and saying that Gaige gave Kyle two choices. Either shoot Gaige or let Gaige attack him. If he did not lunge at him with his gun he would not get shot - just like other people around (who were not attacking Kyle) did not get shot.

When you start it off with "Shalcker is bringing some facts into this.", and Shalcker's entire point was "they're both the same just from different sides", it does give the impression that you're trying to say both are the same.

And again, there's several images of Gaige holding his hands up, like a "I come in peace" sort of way, meanwhile Kyle is still pointing the gun.



Victim blaming isn't exactly a defense. And it still ignores that the reason Kyle was being chased was because he just killed someone, not like he was walking around innocently.

[Cizr]

Again, you're ignoring that he just gunned down someone else, and you're still trying to pin the blame on others.

Perhaps if he didn't want to be surrounded by people in a situation like that, he shouldn't have shot and killed a person prior to that.



When you start it off with "Shalcker is bringing some facts into this.", and Shalcker's entire point was "they're both the same just from different sides", it does give the impression that you're trying to say both are the same.

And again, there's several images of Gaige holding his hands up, like a "I come in peace" sort of way, meanwhile Kyle is still pointing the gun.

Victim blaming isn't exactly a defense. And it still ignores that the reason Kyle was being chased was because he just killed someone, not like he was walking around innocently.

You are chosing one cherry picked image that does not show what happened before or after. He did not come up to him with his hands up like "I come in peace". Here is actually what happened


https://imgur.com/a/0tMMhLq Gaige is charging at him, not "approaching him with his hands up"

https://imgur.com/a/5tv97dY Gaige put his hands in air, Kyle is not aiming at him anymore

https://imgur.com/a/ckzhOQp Kyle lowered his gun, Gaige put his hands down and is lunging at Kyle

https://imgur.com/a/zMv8eKe Kyle quickly shoots Gaige while Gaige is pointing his gun at him

Video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYjG...hannel=NBCNews


Yes, he was being chased while running towards police because he shot someone who was trying to grab his gun, but that does not mean that you will let a mob decide what to do with you.

[Orange Joe]

https://imgur.com/a/zMv8eKe Kyle quickly shoots Gaige while Gaige is pointing his gun at him

Video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYjG...hannel=NBCNews

I'm not seeing what you claim. I see him holding his gun to run past kyle then kyle turns and shoots him.

[Jester Joe]

You are chosing one cherry picked image that does not show what happened before or after. He did not come up to him with his hands up like "I come in peace". Here is actually what happened


https://imgur.com/a/0tMMhLq Gaige is charging at him, not "approaching him with his hands up"

https://imgur.com/a/5tv97dY Gaige put his hands in air, Kyle is not aiming at him anymore

https://imgur.com/a/ckzhOQp Kyle lowered his gun, Gaige put his hands down and is lunging at Kyle

https://imgur.com/a/zMv8eKe Kyle quickly shoots Gaige while Gaige is pointing his gun at him

Video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYjG...hannel=NBCNews


Yes, he was being chased while running towards police because he shot someone who was trying to grab his gun, but that does not mean that you will let a mob decide what to do with you.

That isn't cherrypicking. Your second image again, shows the same. Kyle clearly still has his gun up and ready to shoot. And you're completely ignoring in your first image of the "charge" there's a person between Kyle and Gaige. And Gaige's body is in a position of "sudden stop to assess", not "charging". Hands in clear visible sight to the sides, palms open which shows there's nothing in his hands.

And as above post says, that doesn't look at all like what you're describing. That looks like Gaige was going AROUND Kyle, and Kyle shot at him. Leg posture and all makes it look like Gaige was moving to whoever got knocked down.

[Orange Joe]

That isn't cherrypicking. Your second image again, shows the same. Kyle clearly still has his gun up and ready to shoot. And you're completely ignoring in your first image of the "charge" there's a person between Kyle and Gaige. And Gaige's body is in a position of "sudden stop to assess", not "charging". Hands in clear visible sight to the sides, palms open which shows there's nothing in his hands.

While I don't agree with him the guy DID have a gun, but he wasn't pointing it at kyle when he was shot.

[Paranoid Android]

CAN WE GET THE FUCK OFF RITTENHOUSE

Those people supporting him have A combination of a posting history that included.

Supporting the terrorist from Charlottesville.

Calling for the extermination of ethnic groups.

History of racist posts.

They are people who fully support white nationalist shooting up people and don’t give a fuck

What we should be talking about.

Police thanking white nationalist and KETTLEING PROTESTERS INTO THEM

Copy/Paste.

Idk why these people are arguing with our two biggest shit posters on these forums. I mean with even some of them leaving they were always at the top. As you stated it is not even opinion if you look at their post history and the times they have been infracted or banned.

People please take Themius advice.

[Orange Joe]

I am not trying to frame that "they're both the same!". I am debunking stuff you got wrong and saying that Gaige gave Kyle two choices. Either shoot Gaige or let Gaige attack him. If he did not lunge at him with his gun he would not get shot - just like other people around (who were not attacking Kyle) did not get shot.

Your also stating things that are wrong. He didn't lung at him. You can see he was going around him clearly in the video.

[Jester Joe]

While I don't agree with him the guy DID have a gun, but he wasn't pointing it at kyle when he was shot.

He had a gun, but it wasn't drawn until after they were already encountered. The first two images have no gun in his hand, hence the "open palms". That's all I'm pointing out there.

[Orange Joe]

He had a gun, but it wasn't drawn until after they were already encountered. The first two images have no gun in his hand, hence the "open palms". That's all I'm pointing out there.

It's there.




The black spot in his right hand is the butt of his pistol.

[Jester Joe]

It's there.

The black spot in his right hand is the butt of his pistol.

Yeah but that's not the pictures he linked.

https://imgur.com/a/0tMMhLq

^ that one is a clear no gun. The "charge".

https://imgur.com/a/5tv97dY

That's a bit more harder to see. it does appear to just be the reverse of the image linked, but honestly can't really tell 100% either way, regardless it's "hands are up, I'm not here to harm". To which the latter shows him it looks like walking right past Kyle, based on legs/body angle.

[Orange Joe]

Yeah but that's not the pictures he linked.

https://imgur.com/a/0tMMhLq

^ that one is a clear no gun. The "charge".

https://imgur.com/a/5tv97dY

That's a bit more harder to see. it does appear to just be the reverse of the image linked, but honestly can't really tell 100% either way, regardless it's "hands are up, I'm not here to harm". To which the latter shows him it looks like walking right past Kyle, based on legs/body angle.

It's the same image I just cropped it. and yes you can see the gun in your pic too.




Mind you I disagree with the narrative that he was threatening Kyle. He had more than enough of a chance to shoot him if he wanted. He didn't.

[Shadowferal]

Because a gun in hand is no threat...right?

[Orange Joe]

Because a gun in hand is no threat...right?

So Kyle was a threat then? Which would justifiy people trying to disarm him? Is that the route you wanna go?

[omeomorfismo]

Because a gun in hand is no threat...right?

when it is pointed on the holder without even a finger on the trigger, no?

[Jester Joe]

It's the same image I just cropped it. and yes you can see the gun in your pic too.

Mind you I disagree with the narrative that he was threatening Kyle. He had more than enough of a chance to shoot him if he wanted. He didn't.

That looks far too light to be a gun.

/shrug

But either way, simple body language gives away that he wasn't in a position of "I'm here to shoot", it's a clear "I'm trying to de-escalate this".

[Orange Joe]

That looks far too light to be a gun.

/shrug

But either way, simple body language gives away that he wasn't in a position of "I'm here to shoot", it's a clear "I'm trying to de-escalate this".

I mean I agree with you about pretty much everything but that he was holding a gun :P

To me it's clear when he was shot he was trying to go around Kyle not lunging at him.

[Shalcker]

Again, you're ignoring that he just gunned down someone else, and you're still trying to pin the blame on others.

I'm not seeing how it matters in this situation as far as judging this paramedic actions goes.

Stop evading the question.
Are you fine with someone running down the street while people shout "he killed someone! get him!" being gunned down on the spot by passerby with a gun?
Or do you think running up to someone who fallen with gun drawn implies some other intent? If so, which one?
Maybe you think he wanted to stop him in non-lethal way using a gun, just like Rittenhouse did to him?

[Themius]

Quick run down

Rittenhouse is a murderer charged with first degree murder and more charges to come.

Posters defending him have a history... one which even includes calling for ethnic genocide and had a nazi avatar for years.

Rittenhouse case. HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLICE

what does have to do with police is how they used this racist militia and essentially allowed them to be out past curfew and thanked them and kettled protests into them.

This right now kind of proves a problem.

This topic has seemed to go on talking about this one instances of a white racist killing other whites people and it’s what’s most talked about for weeks.

Not the injustice in policing (connected to this) not the way police treat black and brown people. Not about the radicalisation of police.

No but an argument between what are essentially ISIS sympathisers and backers and People who say murder and terrorism is bad.

Do you think they give a fuck? Some terrorist and sympathisers saw 9/11 as self defence.

Do any of you think you can convince an ISIS member that beheading men for being gay is wrong??? If not then fuck the whole conversation. What is to be garnered?

They have shown themselves and exposed themselves for the terrorist supporting people they are. PERIOD. nothing will convince them because they support terrorism.

IN ACTUAL POLICE NEWS

There was a body cam in Breonna’s case which mysteriously means we should have footage... but we don’t.