No classic+?

[Machismo]

Classic was not as easy to pull off as a basement private server. Good grief some of you people are idiots. Go watch the videos and read the interviews of how inaccurate private servers are, and how much finagling they had to actually do to ensure classic was as accurate as possible in a quality manner.

This is tweaking numbers and ratios, that's not very difficult. Its literally what those basement private servers were doing in the first place.

As someone who has played private servers, its not really any different. Hell, even the community is the same.

[Ealyssa]

This is of course still in the air

No, it's not. Will never happen.

Burning Crusade is the only possible extension of classic.

[Koward]

No, it's not. Will never happen.

Burning Crusade is the only possible extension of classic.

I guess it just postpones the question. What'll happen post-Wotlk is still quite unknown.

[hulkgor]

Nop.

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I guess it just postpones the question. What'll happen post-Wotlk is still quite unknown.

How so?

They'll just start the merry go-round once again, with a classic reboot. 6 years passing (2 for classic, 2 for tbc, 2 for wotlk), it's long enough for renewed interest (in theory, if another game hasnt popped up or covid took us all).

[Tronski]

That's an interesting mix of assumption, entitlement and nonsense. I applaud you.

1. You don't have to buy expansions to play Classic. You can buy the most basic-ass version of WoW available and as long as you're subbed, you get Classic without paying a dime extra.

2. No shit subs are where the money lies. In other shocking news, cheeseburgers now have cheese on them.

3. I'd love to know how optional servers with literally 0 additional cost and less monetization options (no store mounts for example) are 'pure profit' for Blizz, when it is retail you're paying for. You might enjoy sticking your fingers in your ears while screaming LALALALA I PAY FOR CLASSIC but no, you're paying a sub for retail no matter how sad that makes you.

4. Enough money goes into Classic to provide servers for you to play on and maintenance/support, and that's all it needs. "I pay a sub to play classic, so Blizz should spend millions changing the game to be more like retail even though I hate retail" is dumb to a degree few WoW topics are.

5. Classic is free, by that definition alone it does not 'fund retail'. But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night, is what you should keep telling yourself I guess?

1, how is this an argument against Classic being profitable? Are you high, or just regular stupid? Do you know how much money "free" mobile games makes even without requiring a "basic ass" anything? (I'm gonna spoil this for you, it's alot.)

2, good thing this went without saying. People who pay subs without owning BfA clearly only plays Classic.

3, they are pure profit because they have "literally 0 additional cost" as you answered your own question by saying. I am not paying for retail if I don't own BfA - Even you understand this.

4, That's arrogant beyond measure. Nobody is asking for classic to be more like retail, god forbid it did. But at least banning players behaving like asshats (as they did before) would be a nice touch. New content in the spirit of Classic would have been a good idea and a way to keep millions of subs when naxx is done. Many people, including myself, will not be going into TBC exactly because TBC is closer to retail. At least get the facts in your delusions straight.

5, Classic is free IF, AND ONLY IF, you play BfA. In my guild of 300 people, maybe 20 people even own BfA. How is Classic free to them when they don't even have access to BfA? Pull your head out of your balloon-knot.

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LOL you got it turned around, hoss. Retail is funding Classic's continued existence. Classic's numbers are nowhere near the amount that retail has.

If you have access to the numbers I would love to see them. I know this, there's very very very many players in Classic that doesn't even own BfA. Those numbers would be very interesting to see, and you claim to have them, so I guess you can give us them.

[Dartz1979]

I wanna say they will do a burning crusade classic and wrath of the lich king classic and then thats it.

[Shockzalot]

Classic + is nothing more than a fantasy, I'm honestly sick and tired of these threads. Blizzard isn't going to devote the resources into developing new content for two separate versions of WoW. Blizzard put out a survey for a TBC classic, notice they didn't do a similar one for continued development of a new classic? Case closed, move on with your life.

[deenman]

If they make it into seperate servers it might split the community.

plenty of things split the comunity,pvp pve,pet battles,transmog collections etc,it will be fine

[munkeyinorbit]

I dont understand what you are saying,why you lost hope when tbc poll came?what do you mean if they somehow made it happen?made what happen?

do you think tbc will replace classic?it wont...

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There could be classic+ as its own thing,its very posible that in the end we have retail,classic,tbc,and classic+ all as different entities

also,yeah classic was a fairly hard feat to pull off if they didnt have the data anymore,or did you actualy think they would use private server emulator lol

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its very posible classic has more players right now,classic has naxx coming out,the raid most of the people who wanted classic want to see,and bfa is done,its when people stop playing,but inevitably classic will fall off once naxx has been out for months,and shadowlands comes out,but tbc will proly continue to take a fair chunk away

It's like your expecting Naxx out any day now. It's prob 6 months away. Your version of the release timeline doesn't make any sense.

Let's just out a pin in will they won't they. Let's say that blizzard decide to do a classic +. The only viable way a classic+ could exist would be a patch added to classic that does not have the TBC patch changes. That means that class fixes or balances would not be a part of it and it would be a raid and a couple of dungeons only. The reason is the community would devour itself when deciding what to change. It would be best just to leave it as it is.

I see it like this. Naxx is released with TBC a year away. 6 months after Naxx a new patch is released for a raid and catch-up dungeons only. This content uses assets already available so is relatively cheap to do. This tides people over until bc and we get a 1 character copy over to bc. The classic fans then take to the forums to tell everyone how shit retail is and mods ban 3 people over the whole thing.

[Will]

This is tweaking numbers and ratios, that's not very difficult. Its literally what those basement private servers were doing in the first place.

As someone who has played private servers, its not really any different. Hell, even the community is the same.

You a developer? Don't downplay the work required. The devs even said that you can't trivialise the work that was actually required. It was not a sunday jobbie to get classic working. There's a reason most private servers are miles off the money when it comes to accuracy and reliability.

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plenty of things split the comunity,pvp pve,pet battles,transmog collections etc,it will be fine

I feel like "split the community" is an over-used buzz-phrase at this stage. Most of those things did absolutely nothing to 'split' anything. People will always have divided opinions, and the reality is if you take away a large aspect of the game that certain players specifically enjoy (such as PvP for example) they won't regretfully stick to PvE. They'll just quit.

So in a way having multiple ways to enjoy the game does not 'split' the community, it simply attracts a wider gamut of player types who would otherwise give the game a hard pass. It's entirely possible and happens everyday for different player types to co-mingle in the same game; this does not constitute a 'split community' in the slightest.

[Xilurm]

I feel like "split the community" is an over-used buzz-phrase at this stage. Most of those things did absolutely nothing to 'split' anything. People will always have divided opinions, and the reality is if you take away a large aspect of the game that certain players specifically enjoy (such as PvP for example) they won't regretfully stick to PvE. They'll just quit.

So in a way having multiple ways to enjoy the game does not 'split' the community, it simply attracts a wider gamut of player types who would otherwise give the game a hard pass. It's entirely possible and happens everyday for different player types to co-mingle in the same game; this does not constitute a 'split community' in the slightest.

plenty of things split the comunity,pvp pve,pet battles,transmog collections etc,it will be fine

Erm, I'm not talking about opinions, I'm talking about half the classic players going to TBC servers.

[kranur]

I guess it just postpones the question. What'll happen post-Wotlk is still quite unknown.

Up to and including WotLk is fine ... wotlk mostly for concluding Arthad since wotlk is more or less modern wow. Going further is an absolute waste.

[Machismo]

You a developer? Don't downplay the work required. The devs even said that you can't trivialise the work that was actually required. It was not a sunday jobbie to get classic working. There's a reason most private servers are miles off the money when it comes to accuracy and reliability.

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I feel like "split the community" is an over-used buzz-phrase at this stage. Most of those things did absolutely nothing to 'split' anything. People will always have divided opinions, and the reality is if you take away a large aspect of the game that certain players specifically enjoy (such as PvP for example) they won't regretfully stick to PvE. They'll just quit.

So in a way having multiple ways to enjoy the game does not 'split' the community, it simply attracts a wider gamut of player types who would otherwise give the game a hard pass. It's entirely possible and happens everyday for different player types to co-mingle in the same game; this does not constitute a 'split community' in the slightest.

"Our work is totally hard," says everyone. This was not some groundbreaking innovation, they had the game, they had the code. This wasn't the case of making a new game, not even close.

Meanwhile, random Slavs in basements managed to do just fine.

I've been on more than a few private servers that ran very well.

[Ealyssa]

plenty of things split the comunity,pvp pve,pet battles,transmog collections etc,it will be fine

That's not even remotely close to what "split the community" means. GG

[TheRevenantHero]

1, how is this an argument against Classic being profitable? Are you high, or just regular stupid? Do you know how much money "free" mobile games makes even without requiring a "basic ass" anything? (I'm gonna spoil this for you, it's alot.)

2, good thing this went without saying. People who pay subs without owning BfA clearly only plays Classic.

3, they are pure profit because they have "literally 0 additional cost" as you answered your own question by saying. I am not paying for retail if I don't own BfA - Even you understand this.

4, That's arrogant beyond measure. Nobody is asking for classic to be more like retail, god forbid it did. But at least banning players behaving like asshats (as they did before) would be a nice touch. New content in the spirit of Classic would have been a good idea and a way to keep millions of subs when naxx is done. Many people, including myself, will not be going into TBC exactly because TBC is closer to retail. At least get the facts in your delusions straight.

5, Classic is free IF, AND ONLY IF, you play BfA. In my guild of 300 people, maybe 20 people even own BfA. How is Classic free to them when they don't even have access to BfA? Pull your head out of your balloon-knot.




If you have access to the numbers I would love to see them. I know this, there's very very very many players in Classic that doesn't even own BfA. Those numbers would be very interesting to see, and you claim to have them, so I guess you can give us them.

https://mmo-population.com/blog/wow-...-whats-bigger/

From April and I'd be willing to bet both numbers are lower by now but Retail still has four times the number of people playing than Classic does.

[vincink]

Classic exists due to finally retails sub numbers i just that low.

A restart would start at the start.

Classic exists because players have been asking for it.

[TrollHunter3000]

This is of course still in the air, but do you think it is worth your money when classic does not get the money that we pay for it, and it seems to goto keep retail floating instead.

This guy over here thinking classic is keeping retail floating and not the other way around lmao.

[Thundering]

Classic exists because players have been asking for it.

that is partly true but players has been asking for it for years. So by that logic it should been here years ago. There is more things at play and retail doing badly is well known.

[Zig Zug]

Vanilla Warcraft Ended.

Classic Warcraft is based on Vanilla Warcraft.

Conclusion: No.

Vanilla Warcraft had a player base that merited an expansion.

Classic Warcraft has no where near the player base that Vanilla Warcraft had.

Conclusion: No.

If Classic+ were a good idea and had some semblance of a workable concept, with enough backing to commit resources?

Still, No.

You wanted Classic, you got Classic. Enjoy the Vanilla experience.

[TrollHunter3000]

You a developer? Don't downplay the work required. The devs even said that you can't trivialise the work that was actually required. It was not a sunday jobbie to get classic working. There's a reason most private servers are miles off the money when it comes to accuracy and reliability.

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I feel like "split the community" is an over-used buzz-phrase at this stage. Most of those things did absolutely nothing to 'split' anything. People will always have divided opinions, and the reality is if you take away a large aspect of the game that certain players specifically enjoy (such as PvP for example) they won't regretfully stick to PvE. They'll just quit.

So in a way having multiple ways to enjoy the game does not 'split' the community, it simply attracts a wider gamut of player types who would otherwise give the game a hard pass. It's entirely possible and happens everyday for different player types to co-mingle in the same game; this does not constitute a 'split community' in the slightest.

That doesn't even fucking make sense and your comparison is bad. If someone only really plays to PvP then obviously getting rid of it would cause them to quit. They might do some PvE here and there but if they don't like it enough then of course they'll quit.

Comparing that to how having BC and Vanilla servers would split the playerbase is idiotic. Your logic implies that people would just quit if they didn't release BC servers and that's not necessarily the case. They may enjoy vanilla just fine but prefer BC and so that would cause a large portion of the playerbase to quit vanilla and play BC. When you're talking about PvP and PvE, these people are still playing the same game. It's just a venn diagram with some intersection between those who do either one exclusively or both but there's always overlap. Splitting the playerbase with another version entirely will have much less of an overlap. There aren't many people at all, even people who play this game full time as their job such as streamers, who actually play both versions of the game as is.

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That's not even remotely close to what "split the community" means. GG

nah bruh pet battles def split the community. My entire raid roster quit raiding when pet battles came out, they wanted to be the very best, they wanted to catch them all. Haven't seen them since.

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Is that why we see so many new MMOs doing splendidly? Apparently with all the money Amazon can shit out however, their new MMO isn't doing so well. Guess they missed the memo to hire more "random Slavs"

I don't even get why people try to make MMOs anymore. Literally no point unless WoW just stops existing.