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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    We're not discussing my interest in the video, we're discussing your mind-numbingly lazy comparison of that shooting (and the "irony" of our supposed lack of concern) to the Rittenhouse shooting. The irony isn't there because your original post was pants on head dumb.



    You have no idea what that guy's motive was. One could assume it's related to police brutality and the recent protests/riots, but you have no way of knowing. To suggest otherwise is just dishonesty. The police are still alive by the way, so you can relax with calling them murders. You're not even keeping up with the story you're scolding everyone else with not knowing and talking about.
    I have one word for you: projection. It works much better when you weren't just accused of these things by someone else first.

    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    The police are still alive by the way
    Indeed they are still very much alive and in critical condition, you got me there.

    In addition to waiting for the shooter's lawyer to share with us his defense strategy, we should indeed at least until they are both dead before discussing this murder.. sorry shooting. This is sarcasm btw, just in case you have some trouble detecting that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thelxi View Post
    I have one word for you: projection. It works much better when you weren't just accused of these things by someone else first.
    No one insulted me yet? You are every insult ever said or ever will be said. I am now invincible from any insult... they are all projections. I don’t think that’s what projecting means...

    Indeed they are still very much alive and in critical condition, you got me there.

    In addition to waiting for the shooter's lawyer to share with us his defense strategy, we should indeed at least until they are both dead before discussing this murder.. sorry shooting. This is sarcasm btw, just in case you have some trouble detecting that too.
    I don’t think you know what sarcasm means either...

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    Oh ok so I wish death on you because I hate Jews. It all makes sense now.
    That’s sarcasm...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zython View Post
    The latter is the reason for the former.
    Oh ok so I wish death on you because I hate Jews. It all makes sense now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Wrong. He literally says extrajudicial killings are wrong. Any murder is extrajudicial. Including killing cops. More wild accusations with no proof. Shocking from someone supporting the projection party.
    I'm sorry, but where the fuck do you get any of that from this post:

    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    I would challenge you on what is appropriate...

    Just what the fuck do people do?

    The FBI knows about these hates groups the government knows about them, yet we have no actions by the federal government to address these problems All this as they go around killing people over and over and over. And the whistle blower says the 18 year old was shot multiple times in the back, lying down. so the deputy could earn his ink. What the fuck is the "appropriate" response in the face of a government that doesn't care about this because "first amendment rights, cops can be part of hate groups"?

    Appropriate in my mind comes down to the most logical ending given the current situation.
    His argument is literally 'the police are killing minorities, the city/state won't protect them by holding police accountable, the federal government won't protect them by holding police accountable, so its appropriate and logical for them to shoot police in self-defense'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Push Buttons View Post
    I'm sorry, but where the fuck do you get any of that from this post:



    His argument is literally 'the police are killing minorities, the city/state won't protect them by holding police accountable, the federal government won't protect them by holding police accountable, so its appropriate and logical for them to shoot police in self-defense'.
    Your argument is literally 4 people make up the entirety of BLM so it is appropriate and logical for police to kill them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Push Buttons View Post
    I mean just take a gander at the post right above yours. You have Themius going on about how being a cop is equivalent to being in fucking ISIS.

    He's not only defending the attempted murderer's actions as being understandable, he's literally arguing the attempted murderer's actions were appropriate given a lack of police accountability.
    And trump says it’s ok for vigilantes to kill people. Why aren’t you decrying him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thelxi View Post
    Oh ok so I wish death on you because I hate Jews. It all makes sense now.
    It’s why everyone else here does.

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    Your argument is literally 4 people make up the entirety of BLM so it is appropriate and logical for police to kill them.

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    And trump says it’s ok for vigilantes to kill people. Why aren’t you decrying him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Push Buttons View Post
    I'm sorry, but where the fuck do you get any of that from this post:



    His argument is literally 'the police are killing minorities, the city/state won't protect them by holding police accountable, the federal government won't protect them by holding police accountable, so its appropriate and logical for them to shoot police in self-defense'.
    So what would happen if the police where not legally allowed to shoot bikers. Bikers start going around killing cops, and the government refuses to do anything to combat the bikers?

    Just curious...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilhen7 View Post
    So what would happen if the police where not legally allowed to shoot bikers. Bikers start going around killing cops, and the government refuses to do anything to combat the bikers?

    Just curious...
    Do “bikers” or “gangs” count as well organized militia?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Do “bikers” or “gangs” count as well organized militia?
    Not sure why it would matter, but lets say the guns are legally owned. But for some reason the courts just refused to convict / press charges against "bikers" and "gangs'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thelxi View Post
    I have one word for you: projection. It works much better when you weren't just accused of these things by someone else first.
    So in other words, "no u."

    This is sarcasm btw, just in case you have some trouble detecting that too.
    Yes, I'm aware that you have nothing else to offer but disingenuous selective quoting and snark. I'm not impressed, tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilhen7 View Post
    Not sure why it would matter, but lets say the guns are legally owned. But for some reason the courts just refused to convict / press charges against "bikers" and "gangs'.
    That’s magic fairy land... that’s why what I asked maters.
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  12. #14532
    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    That’s magic fairy land... that’s why what I asked maters.
    I mean it's pretty much the exact situation we have now with the cops and minoirities, just the sides are flipped.

    Yet we ask minorities to be patient and non violent, but how do you think cops would react if the roles where reversed?

  13. #14533
    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    It literally doesn’t make it legitimate. Anyone can make up a loophole, it’s legitimacy is defined by actual ruling. Without it being chalked, you are literally just making shit up.
    It's legitimate until it is challenged, and they are forced to update the law.

    So again, How many people have actually be charged under this law? If the answer is zero, then saying this has never been challenged is a fairly obvious statement.

    You also keep referring to random keyboard warriors who are arguing this, when you can do a quick Google to find actual lawyers also who argue this.

    It doesn't really matter though, as Rittenhouse's lawyer has already laid out how he plans to challenge the possession charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilhen7 View Post
    I mean it's pretty much the exact situation we have now with the cops and minoirities, just the sides are flipped.
    No, it’s not... In order for it to work, you need to argue that minorities, or in your example, biker gangs, are a well organized militia.

    Yet we ask minorities to be patient and non violent, but how do you think cops would react if the roles where reversed?
    Cops have authority, you can’t make it the same. The authority is critical to the comparison. It’s why a cop killing someone, is a much bigger deal than just a random shooting you never hear about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krastyn View Post
    It's legitimate until it is challenged, and they are forced to update the law.
    There is a tax loophole that means all money needs to go to me. That’s legitimate until challenged in court? Are you sure?

    So again, How many people have actually be charged under this law? If the answer is zero, then saying this has never been challenged is a fairly obvious statement.
    Because there is no legitimate reason to claim it’s a loophole.

    You also keep referring to random keyboard warriors who are arguing this, when you can do a quick Google to find actual lawyers also who argue this.
    No lawyer would disagree with what I am saying... no lawyer would claim that asserting a loophole without any jurisdiction, is legitimate, until challenged. It’s absurd...

    It doesn't really matter though, as Rittenhouse's lawyer has already laid out how he plans to challenge the possession charge.
    That’s great... is he using the “loophole”?
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    Someone else jumping in the fray I see, eager to start a semantic argument with me. Hi Felya, nice to meet you. I'm warning you that I will tap out of this soon because I hate flooding threads with BS, but I'll take on one more.

    Psychological projection is a defense mechanism in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others
    Lets start here. I think this is a pretty apt description of the behavior that downnola just displayed. You can argue that he didn't explicitly deny the qualities I just finished pointing out in him, but he certainly tried to fling them back at me.

    Now lets get to your post:

    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    You are every insult ever said or ever will be said. I am now invincible from any insult... they are all projections. I don’t think that’s what projecting means...
    Indeed, that is not what it means. Hopefully the definition above clears things up for you.

    What I actually said was:

    Quote Originally Posted by Thelxi View Post
    It works much better when you weren't just accused of these things by someone else first.
    This was a suggestion for him in case he wants to project again in the future. It's just better to let some time pass before engaging in it. Telling someone they are dumb a few minutes after being called dumb, is just a little on the nose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thelxi View Post
    What I actually said was:
    Could you please explain more?

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    I have one word for you: projection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    Yes, I'm aware that you have nothing else to offer but disingenuous selective quoting and snark. I'm not impressed, tbh.
    At least there was no insincere, “I hope they make it out with full health”... just double down on exploiting it as murder and act as if being flippant, is sarcasm. /shrug

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    I'm happy to. Which of these seven words is confusing to you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Could you please explain more?
    I'm happy to. Which of these seven words is confusing to you?

  18. #14538
    Quote Originally Posted by I Push Buttons View Post
    I'm sorry, but where the fuck do you get any of that from this post:



    His argument is literally 'the police are killing minorities, the city/state won't protect them by holding police accountable, the federal government won't protect them by holding police accountable, so its appropriate and logical for them to shoot police in self-defense'.
    Right, and?

    Extrajudicial killings are wrong... i think that much is clear throughout the thread from my posts and others. The thing is if we are talking about what is "appropriate" for this situation. What is the logical conclusion of the government refusing to reign in cops linked to gangs, hate groups and murders??? Is it "okay" for people to start killing those cops?

    Not really, but what logical alternative do you see when the government allows hate groups to proliferate, kill, maim, frame people with no consequences? What do you expect the citizens to do?

    I am challenging the idea that citizens killing cops especially cops like that... linked to hate groups and cold blooded murder with entire departments being a problem is not appropriate. If this were any other country I doubt people would be like "oh idk about that, maybe killing those ISIS members was too far"

    Appropriate is whatever the current situation deems logical and unfortunately none of it is good. Does that mean the same as condoning or celebrating? No... it means we are in a very fucked up time.

    I also challenge the idea because i have no fucking clue what is appropriate to do how do you change that? How do you address that? You can't. The people in power to do anything about it, aren't doing anything about it and allowing cops to just go around killing people and then facing no consequences.

    The appropriate thing is for the government to do something, instead of lots of nothing. But they aren't doing anything and therefore what the fuck are people to do?

    They are basically terrorist:
    Now why do i compare cops to terrorists? Well one of the reasons they got qualified immunity TIES DIRECTLY INTO COPS BEING PART OF A TERROR GROUP. The fact that cops exert power on a particular group of people often with a motive that is against those very people and the way people feel and the way they show themselves is like a terror group.

    It's interesting how black and brown people get treated the same as Roma people in Hungary by police (refugee lawyers and UN pros say) meanwhile while americans can see that overseas they simply can't see it in their own country.

    The reason I compare them to terrorist is because accoridng to the FBI the greatest terror threat to america are those white hate groups and those racist white militais. The same ones cops are often chummy with, in, or sympathise with

    That is why i compare them to terrorist, it isn't outlandish to compare them to terrorist.

    What is outlandish is the fact that i can even compare them to terrorist and then back it up with what the FBI themselves thinks of the group they're often chummy with, and the history of police. That is what is outlandish.

    Now it seems to me a lot of people do a lot of talking about oh no but authority must respect it because they're all fucking cartman and are going to kill your parents and feed them to you.

    This is how we slip into fascism... quibbling about "but is that too far, they have rights too so what if they're part of terror groups theFBI thinks are a problem they have first amendment rights"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    At least there was no insincere, “I hope they make it out with full health”... just double down on exploiting it as murder and act as if being flippant, is sarcasm. /shrug
    This was the dead giveaway to me:

    Quote Originally Posted by Thelxi View Post
    I assume people haven't seen this video yet, because lol at the context here.
    Yes, the context of an attempted murder where the culprit will almost certainly be caught, tried, and convicted of attempted murder of police officers to a double homicide by a kid roleplaying a cop during a protest.

    tHe IrOnY....

    also, lol @ resorting to psychoanalysis because you're incapable of defending your own position without snarky evasions. Next I'll be introduced to the concept of Dunning Kruger because I can't detect the super obvious irony of it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    So in other words, "no u."
    You are accusing me of projecting, in response to me accusing you of projecting. I mean come on this is going too far lol

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    I'm not impressed, tbh.
    Well shit. There goes that potential friendship.

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