If you're not going for CE you have no right to ask for things in the game

[Azerate]

Okay what meaning is gained? I'm willing to hear arguments from the other side.

Here are some threads posted on this forum on this issue. One of them being mine:

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...Yes-here-s-why
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...itive-equality

[Poppincaps]

Here are some threads posted on this forum on this issue. One of them being mine:

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...Yes-here-s-why
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...itive-equality

Ah I've seen both of those threads previously. The first one supposes that the covenants will somehow make the need to play optimally less of an issue. Which has no basis in reality whatsoever. Your thread on the other hand states that the abilities are what makes the covenants immersive. I would argue that while they contribute to them, there are plenty of other aspects of the covenant system like the soulbinds, the dungeon specific abilities, the cosmetic rewards, and the storylines that make that choice immersive.

If this goes live, the covenant choice you make could have a very significant impact on your performance, in many cases regardless of which you choose, solely because some abilities are complete garbage in certain content. No amount of tuning will ever make these abilities good unless they are so overtuned they practically destroy everything which Blizzard won't do.

And at the end of the day, here's the reality: If you want to use the ability that goes with you covenant, then do that. Any repercussions that may come from that, you're already prepared to accept because they'll exist in the current system. I, however, don't want to suffer consequences for my choice due to a choice that Blizzard forced on me arbitrarily.

It seems to me that casuals are forcing hardcore players to play the way the casuals want them to play, so their immersion isn't broken, whereas hardcore players just want to play the way they want to play and don't care what the casuals do. You can still immerse yourself just fine. I leveled a character recently where I used a ground mount the entire time because I thought traversing the land by ground was more immersive. Should Blizzard have removed flying from everywhere so that I didn't feel like I was being inefficient? No, because I knew I was being inefficient but the immersion and the fact I wasn't affecting anyone else, made the journey worth it for me.

So yes, my subjective opinion (and I never claimed it was otherwise) is that your arguments for forcing consequences on me (and you're delusional if you don't think there will be consequences based on covenant choice) are terrible and clearly lack empathy for people who play the game differently than you.

[Kokolums]

But....if EVERYONE is cutting edge then no-one is cutting edge.

[Lolites]

So yes, my subjective opinion (and I never claimed it was otherwise) is that your arguments for forcing consequences on me (and you're delusional if you don't think there will be consequences based on covenant choice) are terrible and clearly lack empathy for people who play the game differently than you.

bcs saying "unlocking covenants will not have impact on your immersion bcs you can PRETEND its locked" is sooo full of empathy and not totaly selfish hipocritical and frankly insulting...

[Ange]

Raiding died in LEGION, some people still not get the message, sad to see.

[Lolites]

Raiding died in LEGION, some people still not get the message, sad to see.

just bcs you dont raid raiding isnt dead, as your opinion is not a fact... some people still not get that... sad to see...

[Zenfoldor]

I'm of the mind that the perception of the importance of covenants will peak in the mid range, and the consequences of running the "wrong" covenant will likely cause more friction in pugs than anywhere else. That's just a guess.

[munkeyinorbit]

This is coming from someone who barely raided at all during BfA and just doesn't want to be stuck with a broken or useless ability just because I liked the transmog of necrolords more than night fae.

If you're doing casual content you shouldn't be worrying about abilities at all. You need to relax, pick the covenant you think is pretty and leave the angst about abilities to those of us who actually do the harder content. Who cares if you pick the shit one? WQ certainly don't.

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If you're not going for CE you too have the right to ask for things in the game but just dont expect everyone to listen.

That doesn't make sense. It is more true to say that there are no people doing CE then it is to say CE is the majority of player base. If no one is doing CE then the opinions of non CE matter more. Everyone should listen to these people.

[Nemah]

That makes sense, I kept thinking in my head "Collectors Edition" and confused myself.

Under the OP's logic, why not make it both.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Amazing thing when it comes to the myriad of people who play WoW in that not every single person is going for Cutting Edge...


...AND Blizzard is not just focusing on those who ARE going for it!


What a time to be alive!

[mysticx]

Under the OP's logic, why not make it both.

I thought they meant “Chaotic Evil”, too many “Dungeons & Dragons”-memes, i guess...

[Underverse]

I just want to have a fun leveling experience and then play S1 arena, get stomped, and quit like I do every expansion. That's all I'm asking for.

[Sughs]

Probably said by someone who got CE in August or September.

[Recovery]

Literally only read the title.


The troll is strong in this one. What a productive thread.

[Unholyground]

Clearly an antagonizing post that should be closed.

[Lei]

I bought a whipped cream chocolate cake for my kids. I have 2 kids. One of them hates chocolate, the other one is lactose intolerant. I present them the cake, and they start fighting each others (instead of me) blaming each others for why it's all the other's fault. Amazing how humans work...

It's not our, the players job to ask for things in the game. It's the devs job to provide us with fulfilling content.
Since when we have this problem? Since Legion.

[Poppincaps]

bcs saying "unlocking covenants will not have impact on your immersion bcs you can PRETEND its locked" is sooo full of empathy and not totaly selfish hipocritical and frankly insulting...

You don't have to pretend it's locked, but you can absolutely still choose to pick the ability that corresponds to your covenant, because you obviously didn't care about the performance aspect to begin with.

[Eazy]

What if you could respec each row of your talents once per 1 week? Would you agree with that? Why is that different? Why would it be bad to let us change between covenant abilities on the fly, like with talents?

But I'm on the same boat as you, I think that everyone should be able to change covenants like talents(as long as they get exalted rep with covenant). I was just talking about the balancing.

[Heladys]

I'm getting the Collector's Edition, so I matter.

[Minikin]

Brb, grabbing some popcorn.

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