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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by The Butt Witch View Post
    Did you? On both factions?
    Recruiting for my own alliance raiding guild since 2007.
    Now you answer.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by GringoD View Post
    Recruiting for my own alliance raiding guild since 2007.
    Now you answer.
    So you never recruited on Horde.

    Thanks for not lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    For every Alliance dominated server there are 4 Horde dominated servers. Global player pool on Horde side is much, much bigger, which also means there are more guilds on Horde and said guilds have easier time to recruit and keep players.
    Last year's statistics disagree with you.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...rs-by-faction/

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by The Butt Witch View Post
    So you never recruited on Horde.

    Thanks for not lying.
    Are you incapable of answering?

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by GringoD View Post
    Are you incapable of answering?
    I never handled recruitment on both factions, and neither did you as you admitted yourself, yet you're the one making the claim that Alliance is dying.

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by GringoD View Post
    Are you incapable of answering?
    ..have you ever seen how this person posts...they basically thrive on this kinda banter

  6. #26
    But in Oceania it seems the complete opposite. If you want to do high end content then Alliance is the way to go. Am I right?

  7. #27
    Honestly the only reason I'm still on Alliance is because I have like 10 level 120s and transferring all of them would be kind of a pain. I might do it in Shadowlands though, we'll see.

    Alliance is definitely dying, for every one m+ group on Alliance there's like 3 on Horde, and for every one 2k+ arena group on Alliance there's like 5 on Horde. It was never even, but in the past it wasn't nearly this bad.

    I kind of don't expect to play Shadowlands for more than a month, so I don't particularly care at the moment, but if I were to get invested long term in WoW again and try raiding mythic or doing arenas seriously I would absolutely transfer to Horde. Seems like by far the best option at this point.

  8. #28
    Remember Ion said the "War" in Warcraft is the faction war. They won't touch it.

    IMO their stance is dumb. The "War" in Warcraft should be the greater threats at this stage. We've worked together way too much at this point for these faction wars to make any kind of logical sense, and it's partly why BfA fell flat on its face. The players largely don't care about the faction war. What sense does it make for the Nightborne to be Horde only after Suramar? We joined forces and overthrew a tyrant leader from the Horde... TWICE! The "War" shouldn't be about factions anymore and Ion's line just reinforces to me that they are completely out of touch with what their audience actually wants. It's time they moved past this antiquated dual faction system and developed something that works better for today's audience.

  9. #29
    Been playing on both factions on a lot of diff servers. Takes much longer to find groups for M+ and mythic raids on alliance. On horde I see like 10+ Mythic raids going and I log over to alliance and see 2-3. M+ is pretty low too. I've talked to a couple alliance only players I met years ago and they said its something that they have to deal with for liking the alliance theme/races.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by The Butt Witch View Post
    I never handled recruitment on both factions, and neither did you as you admitted yourself, yet you're the one making the claim that Alliance is dying.
    If you were recruiting for either faction, you'd have a rough idea of where I'm coming from.
    You simply need to head over to wowprogress and look through players interested in joining a raid.
    Out of 23 players per page, roughly 5 are alliance. The recruitment pool is heavily lopsided.

    People naturally migrate to the bigger recruitment pool, not the other way around. There's more choice, more niche raids, more horde raidleads poaching for alliance recruits. That creates a feedback loop. In my 13 years of doing this I've seen more raids die due to lack of recruits than anything else. And for every alliance raid that dies, a few more players go Horde. Just a few weeks ago I lost my best warlock and moonkin to the Horde, since they wanted to play with their friends over there.

    So yeah, it's maybe not a problem for your playstyle. Just take it from me that there's an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysterymask View Post
    ..have you ever seen how this person posts...they basically thrive on this kinda banter
    Guess I fed the troll.

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Loreclaw View Post
    But in Oceania it seems the complete opposite. If you want to do high end content then Alliance is the way to go. Am I right?
    OCE is the exception that proves the rule, even then it's not even really OCE it's just frostmourne which means if you want to play on a server without multiday login queues you're still mostly better off going horde.


    Quote Originally Posted by The Butt Witch View Post
    Last year's statistics disagree with you.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...rs-by-faction/
    Show source is a paywall. Even if the data is accurate (which we have no reason to doubt) it's a census of all characters at every level, level 35 female human hunters aren't helping the alliance endgame. Even if we assume things are vaguely balanced at 120 we have stats that show the alliance gets absolutely dumpstered in terms of raiding and M+ participation, ergo if the faction is disproportionately not engaging with endgame content that is still a faction balance issue.

    Stop being intentionally obtuse to start fights on the internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GringoD View Post
    Are you incapable of answering?
    He is a known troll, you'll learn to avoid them here.
    And somehow I will be infracted for stating a fact when he will continue his trolling...
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    nazi is not the abbreviation of national socialism....
    When googling 4 letters is asking too much fact-checking.

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Saltysquidoon View Post
    Show source is a paywall. Even if the data is accurate (which we have no reason to doubt) it's a census of all characters at every level, level 35 female human hunters aren't helping the alliance endgame. Even if we assume things are vaguely balanced at 120 we have stats that show the alliance gets absolutely dumpstered in terms of raiding and M+ participation, ergo if the faction is disproportionately not engaging with endgame content that is still a faction balance issue.
    Thats more approriate statistics: https://www.wowprogress.com/
    And we see a major horde domination here (only 13 out of top100 are Alliance guilds).

  14. #34
    It's a huge issue. Recruiting is so hard on alliance. Mythic raiding isn't only for a few elite players, it's actually not that hard, but the biggest boss has always been getting people to sign up and wipe for a few hours. That's just a nightmare on alliance.

    For m+ I've usually only been with friends and it hasn't been hard to find people. It's easier to find good people for 15+ keys then it is for 11 keys where people really suck.

  15. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Loreclaw View Post
    I've been reading many threads of many top guilds going Horde in SL because it's simply easier to recruit and find active players. I can obviously see that from the Wowprogress rankings Horde dominates, but as players how do you feel faction balance is in modern WoW.

    Is it really becoming that difficult to recruit and do mythic+ on the Alliance side?
    Yeah, its an issue.. After blizzard nerfed all ally racials and buffed horde one at same time this happens more and more offen..

    More and more ppl going horde all the time, i play this game since end BC and never played horde in my life and im considering level up a horde character to be my main..
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