The Progressive Activist Begging the Left to Stop Owning Itself

[Felya]

Welcome to the election of "smile and do the right thing". We're in the same boat. No point in me crapping on Biden, or continued rapping on progressives.

I agree... I’m trying to mend fences... this thread wouldn’t be my tact... but... it’s not easy to let go of being called that. I think I’ve done a solid job not bringing it up often.

[Themius]

I agree... I’m trying to mend fences... this thread wouldn’t be my tact... but... it’s not easy to let go of being called that. I think I’ve done a solid job not bringing it up often.

get over it.

It's not "most" Bernie supporters.

Remember that many voters supported Bernie but that they felt Biden had a better chance of winning even if they really preferred Bernie over Biden. This was especially an issue among black voters. It makes me wonder if we had ranked voting, how would things have gone?

[Ihavewaffles]

Yeah, it's technically correct that the Democratic party is overall centrist, but that means very little when theocratic fascists control the other party. Show me the left-wing party that has a shot to win federal and state elections and I'll vote for them. Until then we have to work with what we have.

They aren't centrist, they are right-wing n run by corporatiat democrats.

In Europe right-wing parties are for healthcare for all, ur democrats aren't even for that giving up on every issue when it really comes down..so no, they aren't centrist.
US democrats are further to the right than European right-wing parties...

We understand u want to use words to differntiate yourselves from republicans but you are both right-wing, republicans just happen to be further from the middle than you are, but that doesn't mean u are 'centrist' 'leftist' etc all these words is like some marketing campaign that ignores little things...like reality..

[Felya]

get over it.

It's not "most" Bernie supporters.

No, and I didn’t even say “most”. Not sure who you quoted... I don’t like that either.

Remember that many voters supported Bernie but that they felt Biden had a better chance of winning even if they really preferred Bernie over Biden. This was especially an issue among black voters. It makes me wonder if we had ranked voting, how would things have gone?

What? How about challenging progressives that do the divisive shit? That’s what I do...

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My main priorities are better worker rights and working conditions for employees in the USA.

Bullshit... here is your pick and choose thread for our liberal world. You didn’t list support for workers, but you listed Islam in American youth as a threat to western culture, until I called you out:

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...you-don-t-Like!

But yeah, every time I dare mention it I seemingly have to deal with snide comments from people like OP who claim it distracts from more important issues such as LGBT rights and BLM. I don't understand why we can't do both at the same time...

Are you sure it’s not the racist comets or the constant bullshit about saving western culture?

Edit: so, to wrap this up, and show the relationship between my last two posts. Tim Pool’s classic liberals, which includes Trump, are the shits that are muddying liberal waters. It’s not really progressives... it’s people who see “American youth turning to Islam” and propagating the idea of a hive mind “black culture” as saving western culture, that’s the problem.

[Felya]

You misunderstood what was claimed then, and are still misunderstanding or misrepresenting it right now.
Can you please stop bringing up unrelated subjects into other threads, over and over again, especially if you misunderstand what was claimed or said?

Point anything that is unrelated out... please... engage in an actual discussion.

Furthermore I don't wish to discuss islam, as it is against forum rules, but other than that: yes, radicalized youth have been turning to ISIS and the likes. Everyone knows that, not sure why you're surprised about it -or- need to desperately try and make it appear as if something discriminatory was stated. Either way this is not the thread for it.

In America? What culture is that? White or black? Oh, it’s very much on topic of the “far left” need to stop owning it self.

Save us all some time and write out a list of things you see as defining “black culture”... the floor is yours... good luck...

please don’t let me be wrong and you actually write a list... please tell me you are not that blind... I’m really hoping that even if you do write a list, that you will at least get it, before posting.

[Themius]

The only relevant thing you're remotely touching upon here is that I'm not a "SJW leftist", but that I'm a "worker rights leftist".
So what?

Is this code for “I’m leftist and don’t like brown people in my neighbourhood”?

[jonnysensible]

Is this code for “I’m leftist and don’t like brown people in my neighbourhood”?

strasserist by the look of the posting

[Milchshake]

Are you sure it’s not the racist comets or the constant bullshit about saving western culture?

Edit: so, to wrap this up, and show the relationship between my last two posts. Tim Pool’s classic liberals, which includes Trump, are the shits that are muddying liberal waters. It’s not really progressives... it’s people who see “American youth turning to Islam” and propagating the idea of a hive mind “black culture” as saving western culture, that’s the problem.

It's basically European chauvinists trying to colonize America <again>. But Bernie's many, many European fans are trying to colonize the Left. They and the twitter Left are way too happy to dogpile on using "Liberal" as a pejorative with the Right. Shitting on the history of US liberals dying and bleeding for civil rights.

Also, I've said it before, but the Democrats don't get recognized enough as being one of the more pro-immigration center-left parties in the Western world. There are a lot of factors behind this, but a Civil rights history among leadership + diversity is among them.

Joe Biden is way to the left of Corbyn on immigration issues.''

So ya, chauvinists can fuck off. Take Joe Rogan and Russel Brand with you. They really resent that Dems have a lot of women in positions of power.

[downnola]

They aren't centrist, they are right-wing n run by corporatiat democrats.

In Europe right-wing parties are for healthcare for all, ur democrats aren't even for that giving up on every issue when it really comes down..so no, they aren't centrist.
US democrats are further to the right than European right-wing parties...

We understand u want to use words to differntiate yourselves from republicans but you are both right-wing, republicans just happen to be further from the middle than you are, but that doesn't mean u are 'centrist' 'leftist' etc all these words is like some marketing campaign that ignores little things...like reality..

None of this has anything to do with the point I was trying to make. I'm sure you think you're explaining a new concept to me but the Democrats place on the political spectrum is a favorite topic of eurocentric posters since I've joined this forum. I really don't care, bud.

[Felya]

The only relevant thing you're remotely touching upon here is that I'm not a "SJW leftist", but that I'm a "worker rights leftist".
So what?

You are a Tim Pool follower... nothing you say is about workers. You define everything by race... you are a Tim Pool “classic liberal”, just like he said Trump is.

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Is this code for "fuck worker rights and any other social issues that aren't about <insert my own minority>" ?

This is making it about race. The bold is all you needed to say, if you were honest.

Edit: Just like I said to someone else in another thread... day 17 of defunding social security and Medicare... where all the progressives?

[Levelfive]

For me... after weeks of being called a rape apologist, for simply voting Biden... I might agree with progressives a lot on actual issues... but, I don’t have to like them.

I’m talking about self proclaimed, not anointed.

One of the things I like about the left is that we don't fall in lockstep, and the vision needs to be pushed, so arguing over it isn't necessarily a bad thing, though I do wish we would be smarter about framing issues. If Republicans wanted to abolish ICE, they would call it the Immigration Eagle Patriot Enforcement Act.

[Felya]

I don't even know who Tim Pool is.

Could you take a step back for a moment and explain why you think it is important to try and tell the world that I might be a Tim Pool follower or such? I don't see the point beyond malice.

It’s literally everything you say... word for word... it’s how you bring race into everything, while it’s day 17 of social security and Medicare being defunded. Yet, you are for workers and social issues... that’s Tim Pool...

[Felya]

I'm a BLM supporter. I want the police in the USA to be reformed and for it to be defunded and demilitarized.
I don't bring "race" into everything at all. That seems a bit of a hasty conclusion on your end based on maybe one or two recent subjects that were discussed (one of which you completely misunderstood).

Are you sure? Here is who Tim Pool is:

Here is one example of a prominent liberal market socialist and his groupies moaning about the Kamala pick:

Bye Felicia...

I don't even know who Tim Pool is.

[GreenGoldSharpie]

Is this code for "fuck worker rights and any other social issues that aren't about <insert my own minority>" ?

The fact that you can't seem to grasp how intertwined minority rights are with worker rights and healthcare is why no one should take what you have to say seriously.

[Felya]

The fact that you can't seem to grasp how intertwined minority rights are with worker rights and healthcare is why no one should take what you have to say seriously.

I think it’s all the lying...

[Felya]

Yes, I'm very sure. I wasn't aware that at some point I might've linked a video belonging to him. I didn't even know that was his name.

Are you shitting me? You still continue to do this?

Here is one example of a prominent liberal market socialist and his groupies moaning about the Kamala pick:

WTF? I don’t see a *.......

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You trying to bring in "lying" and "you're a Trump supporter / Tim Pool onlyfans subscriber" etc. isn't part of a conversation. That is part of bullying and just being an outright awful kind of person. (Which is also why I often just put you on ignore).

Yeah, I don’t like liars... I’m fucking horrible...

Edit: For now... I’m leaving to the mods... I’m out for a bit... I’ve said enough for now.

[Levelfive]

Are you sure? Here is who Tim Pool is:



Bye Felicia...

"It's interesting that the far right is calling Harris a radical leftist and the far left is calling her a moderate cop, and both talking points are being pushed by Russian botnets."

https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/...331493888?s=20

[jonnysensible]

Bye Felicia...

lmfao, fucking hell

[GreenGoldSharpie]

Yes, I'm very sure. I wasn't aware that at some point I might've linked a video belonging to him. I didn't even know that was his name.

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Ey, if I recall correctly -you- were the one last time who pointed out that there was no room for 'worker rights' and 'healthcare' because it was distracting from LGBT rights etc. And who pointed out that there could be no cooperation between worker right groups and LGBT groups because something about american history or whatever.

I'd like to see a quote on this given I specifically said A.) I won't be in favor of spiking minority rights -- specifically LGBTQ -- to cozy up to the white working class which is B.) incredibly hostile to civil liberties. Notice all the qualifiers here? This is why I don't take you seriously. You can't even seem to grasp the situation.

If you want to do a 180 turn around now, that is fine with me. I'm all for the cooperation between minority rights and worker rights. In my opinion they are indeed heavily intertwined and once you have stronger worker rights it becomes 1000x easier to also get your minority rights sorted.

Okay, let's do an experiment here. Let's look at the UK, which has a national healthcare plan and stronger worker's rights. Let's compare how quickly trans people can get access to affirmative medical care through the NHS versus the informed clinic model here in the US. Planned Parenthood would be a good place to look up appointment times. Pick somewhere out of the way if you want, even.

Bring me that info and let's discuss, since you say you want to have a discussion.

[Ihavewaffles]

It's basically European chauvinists trying to colonize America <again>. But Bernie's many, many European fans are trying to colonize the Left. They and the twitter Left are way too happy to dogpile on using "Liberal" as a pejorative with the Right. Shitting on the history of US liberals dying and bleeding for civil rights.

Also, I've said it before, but the Democrats don't get recognized enough as being one of the more pro-immigration center-left parties in the Western world. There are a lot of factors behind this, but a Civil rights history among leadership + diversity is among them.

Joe Biden is way to the left of Corbyn on immigration issues.''

So ya, chauvinists can fuck off. Take Joe Rogan and Russel Brand with you. They really resent that Dems have a lot of women in positions of power.

Democrats are center-left? Wtf are u on??

European right-wing parties are for healthcare for all n environmental issues, that doesn't mean they are left-wing nor green parties.

As for immigration, biden want cheap labor for the industrialists that want to destroy the middle class, how the fuck is that left-wing?! That is corporate version of feudalism, wishing to make everyone poorer so the billionars get more money to feed their narcissism.