[SPOILER]Return of Garrosh?

[Super Dickmann]

Pffft, Garrosh belongs in the Maw. But sure, failing that, an eternity of torture over his own pride will do.

Not even someone who destroyed planets gets sent to the Maw. Kael and Vashj have both sided with omnicidal powers and in Vashj's case are completely unrepentant. Garrosh shouldn't even be in Revendreth.

[krilad]

Don't you guys think we could see garrosh on a mythic only phase at the last boss? Maybe that's why we haven't seen him yet ingame.

[tommyhil622]

and? point still stands

And he was making expansions outside of kalimdor so no he didnt only want to conquer Kalimodoe alone... so your point doesn't stand.

When did i said he was not flawed? i said he had many flaws, thats why he was a good character, not a good guy, his flaws that fleshed out a more realistic person

He was never a good character that's what im saying. The defense you provide just shows you like his character and dislike the mop direction. But using MoP as a crutch doesn't barr him from his characterization prior to Mop.

it was blizzard "fault" for choosing to be a villain, he was in a "neutral" spot, and they could go either way.

Garrosh was not a leader, but a warrior, and thrall put him there anyway, with people who should advice him only wanting to undermine him, it was not rly just his fault that things went to shit

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He was never nuetral. Yes Thrall made him a leader which was a big mistake but he could have turned it down but instead he took it anyway. He's not a neutral character at all he was on the warpath with little to no strategy other than instigate war every chance he got. He was closer to being what they did in mop than not. But, he there was a chance to not make him a total villian, sure.

[Pebrocks The Warlock]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Garrosh attack Gilneas unprovoked?

[Ulfric Trumpcloak]

Will be interesting to see where Nazgrim loyalty now is.
Still with the Warchief or now at the Ebon blade.

Garrosh isn't warchief anymore, and Nazgrim is no longer part of the horde.

[tommyhil622]

Will be interesting to see where Nazgrim loyalty now is.
Still with the Warchief or now at the Ebon blade.

He's loyal to the ebon blade and Bolvar, hes not aligned with the Horde. And currently there is no Warchief.

[gcsmith]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Garrosh attack Gilneas unprovoked?

He did, he also backstabbed the Alliance at the corpse gate instead of focusing on the scourge...

[Kyphael]

Dunno, I'm convinced Garrosh died a virgin

That might explain his rage.

[Snorri]

Just like Arthas, Garrosh is likely being saved for a future patch. I hope he gets to meet Thrall again.

[Usernameforforums]

They can just make a new edgy orc from thralls babys

[Daronokk]

he also backstabbed the Alliance at the corpse gate instead of focusing on the scourge...

That was after Varian declared war on the Horde and attacked them while in Undercity.

The Alliance started the war, don't sugarcoat it.

Same shit with Vol'jin, who threatened to kill Garrosh multiple times. Suddenly acting surprised when Garrosh makes the first move.

Or Baine for wrongfully blaming Garrosh for his father's death. That was Magatha's doing.

Or Cairne for wrongfully blaming Garrosh for the attack on the Druids. That was the Twilight's Hammer.

Or Lorthemar who wanted to defect to the Alliance.

Or Sylvanas for plaguebombing.

Garrosh did nothing wrong. Others blamed and attacked him wrongfully.
Don't blame Garrosh for not trusting anyone when everyone gave good reason not to trust them.

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Thrall has an even huger fan base. Look at his state. Blizz are quite accustomed to doing dumb shit already, so I don't see a problem with ending Garrosh soon as SL hits.

Thrall had a big fanbase when WoW launched. Now not anymore. People hate green jesus for what he has become.

[Timester]

That was after Varian declared war on the Horde and attacked them while in Undercity.

The Alliance started the war, don't sugarcoat it.

Same shit with Vol'jin, who threatened to kill Garrosh multiple times. Suddenly acting surprised when Garrosh makes the first move.

Or Baine for wrongfully blaming Garrosh for his father's death. That was Magatha's doing.

Or Cairne for wrongfully blaming Garrosh for the attack on the Druids. That was the Twilight's Hammer.

Or Lorthemar who wanted to defect to the Alliance.

Or Sylvanas for plaguebombing.

Garrosh did nothing wrong. Others blamed and attacked him wrongfully.
Don't blame Garrosh for not trusting anyone when everyone gave good reason not to trust them.

So, invading Gilneas, Ashenvale and Theramore was also everyone's else fault? Installing Waffen-SS Kor'kron and beating the shit of the people of Orgrimmar doesn't matter?

[ClassicPeon]

If they even gonna do something with him they will just use him to push the point that you need to be nice and loving and like anduin or you must die.

So either they will erase him or even worse, boikingforge him.

Why would they do that?

Its not like people doing the "right thing" has very good survival rates in warcraft

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The Alliance started the war, don't sugarcoat it.

Actually the orcs invaded azeroth and started randomly killing everything.

Same shit with Vol'jin, who threatened to kill Garrosh multiple times. Suddenly acting surprised when Garrosh makes the first move.

Where?

Or Baine for wrongfully blaming Garrosh for his father's death. That was Magatha's doing.

"just as the howling axe of Hellscream slices into his neck."

Cairne was poisoned. But it was Garrosh going for a killing blow. There is no mistake about it, it was a battle to the death from Garrosh pov.

Or Lorthemar who wanted to defect to the Alliance.

What does that have to do with anything? Did he really want to defect? I dont remember anything about that.

Or Sylvanas for plaguebombing.

Garrosh wasnt blamed for this?

[endorus]

Garrosh redemption arc incoming...

[Jester Joe]

What does that have to do with anything? Did he really want to defect? I dont remember anything about that.

It's mentioned during the 5.1 campaign on Alliance side, after the Purge of Dalaran, that Varian was in talks with Lorthemar to bring the Blood elves back into the Alliance.

Of course, they conveniently left out that it was because Garrosh was using Blood elves to search Mogu ruins, which were laced with traps.

[Boo Radley]

Dunno, I'm convinced Garrosh died a virgin

How do you think he got so powerful? By the timeline he should have crossed the age of 25 right around the end of BC/start of Wotlk. This would explain his massive boost in power as he started to ascend to his wizard form, being unspoiled by the touch of women who immediately drain the mana of unsuspecting males.

Source: A meme on the internet said all of this, so it has to be true. It works for politics, right?

[Okacz]

Cairne was poisoned. But it was Garrosh going for a killing blow. There is no mistake about it, it was a battle to the death from Garrosh pov.

That Cairne specifically asked for. He was going for the kill as well.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Nazgrim is 100% loyal to the Lich King, as he is most likely bound to his will as well.

Unless there’s something on the beta I missed Bolvar should have no control over high ranking undead like the horsemen without the crown he’d have to be a necromancer on par with KT for that and even then the precedent is that they would break feee when he lost the crown and they’d be to powerful for him to re dominate them.

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He did, he also backstabbed the Alliance at the corpse gate instead of focusing on the scourge...

You can’t back stab some one who had already declared war on you which the alliance did at the battle for undercity.

[Zendhal The Black]

inb4 mythic Denathrius have a secret phase where he teleports to Garrosh and milks him dry destroying him completly

the "Gurrosh did nuting rong" crowd tears would taste so sweeeeet

[ClassicPeon]

It's mentioned during the 5.1 campaign on Alliance side, after the Purge of Dalaran, that Varian was in talks with Lorthemar to bring the Blood elves back into the Alliance.

Of course, they conveniently left out that it was because Garrosh was using Blood elves to search Mogu ruins, which were laced with traps.

Right! Forgot about that. I'm not really sure what that has to do with blaming garrosh for stuff tho?

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That Cairne specifically asked for. He was going for the kill as well.

Not true. While both where in agreement, it was definitely Garrosh wanting it.

Upon receiving word from the owl Hamuul sent, that the new Warchief sanctioned the killing of innocent druids (actually carried out by orcs loyal to Twilight's Hammer), Cairne issues a Mak'gora, challenging Garrosh for the leadership of the Horde. Garrosh accepts but adds the caveat that the combat would not be the non-lethal combat sanctioned by Thrall, but by the old laws - to the death. Cairne agrees, and the combatants meet in the arena in Orgrimmar.