Genocide On The Border

[Vorkreist]

Quite a bit considering it was an ostensibly capitalist country doing it.

Thanks for proving again how silly those commie mental gymnastics work.

[Mihalik]

Thanks for proving again how silly those commie mental gymnastics work.

Not to defend communism, but China is about as communist as North Korea is democratic.

Just because it is in the name it doesn't mean it's real.

China is a nationalist oligarchical autocracy with a mixed market economy.

The US is just one Republican election victory away from being pretty much the same damn thing. We just haven't gone full autocracy yet.

So yeah, pot calling kettle black.

[Pannonian]

Obviously, genocide refers to actions taken on a large scale. One doctor at one clinic doesn't do it.

Using words like this wrong is so counterproductive to liberal arguments, because the exaggerated claims become easy to dismiss. Mods should change the title of this thread, any honest accounting would admit that it's misleading.

The intent is the most difficult element to determine. To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Cultural destruction does not suffice, nor does an intention to simply disperse a group. It is this special intent, or dolus specialis, that makes the crime of genocide so unique. In addition, case law has associated intent with the existence of a State or organizational plan or policy, even if the definition of genocide in international law does not include that element.

Maybe i'm reading this wrong - not my native language - but this seems quite clear: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

If the whole clinic is involved it is probably more than just one person, but please feel free to point out where this is required. And i'm specifically talking about the definition of genocide, not the crime, not the possibility of people getting convicted on grounds of genocide, or anything else.

Talking about the LITERAL definition of the word. So go ahead.

[Felya]

Obviously, genocide refers to actions taken on a large scale. One doctor at one clinic doesn't do it.

Using words like this wrong is so counterproductive to liberal arguments, because the exaggerated claims become easy to dismiss. Mods should change the title of this thread, any honest accounting would admit that it's misleading.

I don’t think having people complain about the meaning of genocide, instead of the horrifying actions detailed in the OP, is counter productive at all... seems apt in showing the rational that keeps history repeating.

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Maybe i'm reading this wrong - not my native language - but this seems quite clear:

You are fine... no need to second guess your English. If you haven’t said anything... and since I didn’t look at your location until now... I wouldn’t have known.

This isn’t an issue of English barrier and semantic argument rarely depend on it. In fact, someone with poor English, wouldn’t be able to make a semantic argument.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The intent is the most difficult element to determine. To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Cultural destruction does not suffice, nor does an intention to simply disperse a group. It is this special intent, or dolus specialis, that makes the crime of genocide so unique. In addition, case law has associated intent with the existence of a State or organizational plan or policy, even if the definition of genocide in international law does not include that element.

Maybe i'm reading this wrong - not my native language - but this seems quite clear: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

If the whole clinic is involved it is probably more than just one person, but please feel free to point out where this is required. And i'm specifically talking about the definition of genocide, not the crime, not the possibility of people getting convicted on grounds of genocide, or anything else.

Talking about the LITERAL definition of the word. So go ahead.

This is rather important, it’s not just one rouge mad doctor that’s doing this all alone like bloody Frankenstein it’s the support staff, the people who have to transport the patients, the people keeping the records, the people okaying the doctor and his staff to do this, and likely more that aren’t on the top of my mind.

Things like this don’t just happen on there Own.

[Logwyn]

Genocide need not be done by a large number of people and actually if often is a left-right issue. Generally, it is the right going off and committing these atrocities not the progressive left.

I would say both sides have their hands in the pot.

[Themius]

I would say both sides have their hands in the pot.

.... based on what? Fantasy??

[Logwyn]

.... based on what? Fantasy??

You've never heard of Stalin, Mao.... Do I really need to list them?

[Themius]

You've never heard of Stalin, Mao.... Do I really need to list them?

Why do right wingers do this with literally everything?

[Draco-Onis]

Why do right wingers do this with literally everything?

Because they don't know or care for facts and history.

[Specialka]

Why do right wingers do this with literally everything?

Mao and Stalin were right winger ? Are you trying to rewrite history here ?

[Dead Moose Fandango]

I said it before and I'll say it again; I'm waiting for someone to invade the US and put a stop to these concentration camps. This gross inhumanity can't keep going on. Every year, the US becomes more and more like Nazi Germany.

[announced]

I like how you leave out the important part, she had a cyst and was supposed to have an ovary removed. It was medically necessary. Unfortunately the doctor removed the wrong one so that is medical malpractice and he should be investigated for that. Calling it genocide because a doctor made a mistake is a bit of a stretch.

According to the whistleblower in Project South’s complaint, Amin recently took out the wrong ovary on a detained woman.

“She was supposed to get her left ovary removed because it had a cyst on the left ovary; he took out the right one. She was upset. She had to go back to take out the left and she wound up with a total hysterectomy.

There are other unverified claims, but we'll treat them with the same amount of skepticism.

[Bodakane]

Mao and Stalin were right winger ? Are you trying to rewrite history here ?

Yes. They were facist. Whatever they sold to the people to get into power doesn't define their ideology, it was just a sales pitch.

A "communist" facist is essentially no different than a "capitalist" facist, in the end. It is like actually arguing the difference between left Twix and right Twix.

[Themius]

I like how you leave out the important part, she had a cyst and was supposed to have an ovary removed. It was medically necessary. Unfortunately the doctor removed the wrong one so that is medical malpractice and he should be investigated for that. Calling it genocide because a doctor made a mistake is a bit of a stretch.



There are other unverified claims, but we'll treat them with the same amount of skepticism.

Is one person 17 now????

Why do you feel compelled to excuse genocidal actions?

[Specialka]

Yes. They were facist. Whatever they sold to the people to get into power doesn't define their ideology, it was just a sales pitch.

A "communist" facist is essentially no different than a "capitalist" facist, in the end. It is like actually arguing the difference between left Twix and right Twix.

I guess you do you. Shame you have to rewrite history to push your agenda. I guess even people in URSS did not even know they were in a right wing country.

[Themius]

I guess you do you. Shame you have to rewrite history to push your agenda. I guess even people in URSS did not even know they were in a right wing country.

"The nazi were left! They had the word socialist in their name!"

When it comes to critical thinking of issues and diving into history and actions the right wing don't seem to give two fucks about any of that.

You should also be aware that Mao was considered a centrist at best and anyone who opposed him was labeled left wing and ultra left but keep go on and fucking that chicken. and left and ultra left in this case didn't even mean left wing as we know it But hey why am I even saying this, it's a waste of time on a person like you.

the claim of Stalin being left was because of the entire saying all people are equal but you know... WATCH WHAT THEY DO NOT WHAT THEY SAY

Something the right seems entirely incapable of comprehending. They just sit in a fucking corner singing "tell me lies tell me sweet little lies" all fucking day.

[Specialka]

"The nazi were left! They had the word socialist in their name!"

When it comes to critical thinking of issues and diving into history and actions the right wing don't seem to give two fucks about any of that.

And Iguess you have not much respect for history as you like to rewrite it.

[Bodakane]

I guess you do you. Shame you have to rewrite history to push your agenda. I guess even people in URSS did not even know they were in a right wing country.

I didn't rewrite anything. facism, is facsim, is facism. You are pretending if i pour milk into an empty Coke bottle it is now Coke.

[Themius]

And Iguess you have not much respect for history as you like to rewrite it.

You should also be aware that Mao was considered a centrist at best and anyone who opposed him was labeled left wing and ultra left but keep go on and fucking that chicken. and left and ultra left in this case didn't even mean left wing as we know it But hey why am I even saying this, it's a waste of time on a person like you.

the claim of Stalin being left was because of the entire saying all people are equal but you know... WATCH WHAT THEY DO NOT WHAT THEY SAY

Something the right seems entirely incapable of comprehending. They just sit in a fucking corner singing "tell me lies tell me sweet little lies" all fucking day.

Like if Donald Trump says "all people are equal" are you ging to claim he's a left wing person now? What a joke.