Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Felya]

Exclusive: Trump to block U.S. downloads of TikTok, WeChat on Sunday - officials
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN2691QO

Remember when it was places like China and Russia, banning American social media? Those were the days...

[Draco-Onis]

SNIP

I am not sure what your incoherent rant has to do with teaching factual history. Maybe your history books said were you are ranting about but mine didn't the whataboutism here is pathetic you can teach about all the bad things that happened in history. I am sure that simple concept will blow your mind.

[Felya]

I am not sure what your incoherent rant about teaching factual history has anything to do with this.

He wants the Aztecs to pay reparations to other native Americans. I think.......

[downnola]

He wants the Aztecs to pay reparations to other native Americans. I think.......

It's the defense mechanism that some Americans go through (He's obviously not American, but he's still a good example) when they realize a lot of what they believed as children didn't turn out to be true. Tooth fairy? Easter Bunny? Santa? Columbus discovering America? The Civil War was about slavery and not states rights? They don't hate us because of our freedom? You know, basically all of the American fairy tales one is taught as a tyke.

[Thekri]

He wants the Aztecs to pay reparations to other native Americans. I think.......

Well the concept that there can be multiple sides to a story, and no side necessarily has to be the "good" side is a very hard concept for some people to grasp. I don't know if it is a result of the movies/books/video games they consume or what, but a lot of people view things like there must be a Hero and a Villain in every story. History doesn't play with nice clean tropes like that though. Sometimes history is about two factions of genocidal slavers fighting each other. Sometimes history has racist fuckwads fighting even more racist fuckwads.

It is like the argument that Neo-Confederates use that "The Union was Racist too!!". Well, yes it was. That isn't the argument they seem to think it is. Aztecs having an over the top blood cult doesn't mean the slaughter and enslavement of two continents was a noble act.

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You seem very upset about something. Might I suggest breathing exercises, or possibly a soothing hobby... like woodworking.

Not sure he actually is. He has been popping in and making such posts for at least two years now, it is easy to tell it is the same person because he makes the exact same silly claims about me. I am pretty sure he just thinks it is funny or something. I kind of doubt it is motivated in either politics or anger, just boredom.

[Machismo]

Well the concept that there can be multiple sides to a story, and no side necessarily has to be the "good" side is a very hard concept for some people to grasp. I don't know if it is a result of the movies/books/video games they consume or what, but a lot of people view things like there must be a Hero and a Villain in every story. History doesn't play with nice clean tropes like that though. Sometimes history is about two factions of genocidal slavers fighting each other. Sometimes history has racist fuckwads fighting even more racist fuckwads.

It is like the argument that Neo-Confederates use that "The Union was Racist too!!". Well, yes it was. That isn't the argument they seem to think it is. Aztecs having an over the top blood cult doesn't mean the slaughter and enslavement of two continents was a noble act.

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Not sure he actually is. He has been popping in and making such posts for at least two years now, it is easy to tell it is the same person because he makes the exact same silly claims about me. I am pretty sure he just thinks it is funny or something. I kind of doubt it is motivated in either politics or anger, just boredom.

Yeah, he also seems to be a big fan of me. He must be, in order to create 600+ accounts.

[Thekri]

Yeah, he also seems to be a big fan. He must be, in order to create 600+ accounts.

Yeah, it is kind of charming. He really likes me in a Tsundere sort of way. Unsupported claims of pedophilia are like the laziest possible insult though, but I guess creativity is too much to ask for in a stalker.

[Felya]

Yeah, it is kind of charming.

I really thought telling him what he is doing, with the whole infinite accounts thing, would make him stop. You know, ground it, to put in perspective. I was all proud... watch me do what even mods can’t... Nope... had 0 effect... created like 3 new accounts the next... my dude... what are you doing...

[Thekri]

I really thought telling him what he is doing, with the whole infinite accounts thing, would make him stop. You know, ground it, to put in perspective. I was all proud... watch me do what even mods can’t... Nope... had 0 effect... created like 3 new accounts the next... my dude... what are you doing...

Why are you trying to ruin our beautiful relationship? Why can't I just have my stalker? Stop trying to break us up, I feel like his emotions couldn't handle that.

[Milchshake]

Why are you trying to ruin our beautiful relationship? Why can't I just have my stalker? Stop trying to break us up, I feel like his emotions couldn't handle that.

I dunno, isnt there plenty of stalkers to go around? Or is it just two running all these accounts? Also, why do these guys get more animated over weekend?

Speaking of which, most of our bad-faith brigade is seemingly informed by the same shitty podcasts. Here are some useful links..... get you plagiarism checkers ready

Kyle Kulinski claims that Trump is more mentally fit than Biden
Kulinski: "The sun is setting on that dude fast. I do think [Biden's] having issues with his mind not working properly"
A guide to all the things Kyle Kulinski has been wrong about


Tim Pool
Thread: Over the past two months we watched over 330 Tim Pool videos and collected a list of every source he used and its political bias. Here is what we found:
Tim Pool uses pro-rightwing biased sources almost 60% of the time with his most commonly used source being the Daily Mail - a source so unreliable and controversial that Wikipedia doesn't allow its use as a reference in articles.

[DingDongKing]

I dunno, isnt there plenty of stalkers to go around? Or is it just two running all these accounts? Also, why do these guys get more animated over weekend?

Speaking of which, most of our bad-faith brigade is seemingly informed by the same shitty podcasts. Here are some useful links..... get you plagiarism checkers ready

Kyle Kulinski claims that Trump is more mentally fit than Biden
Kulinski: "The sun is setting on that dude fast. I do think [Biden's] having issues with his mind not working properly"
A guide to all the things Kyle Kulinski has been wrong about


Tim Pool
Thread: Over the past two months we watched over 330 Tim Pool videos and collected a list of every source he used and its political bias. Here is what we found:
Tim Pool uses pro-rightwing biased sources almost 60% of the time with his most commonly used source being the Daily Mail - a source so unreliable and controversial that Wikipedia doesn't allow its use as a reference in articles.

Who setup that website? They're a genius.

Kyle Kulinski and Joe Rogan are that couple who hate other couples, so they've bought a timeshare in a conservative Floridian community to retire.

[tikcol]

I am not sure what your incoherent rant has to do with teaching factual history. Maybe your history books said were you are ranting about but mine didn't the whataboutism here is pathetic you can teach about all the bad things that happened in history. I am sure that simple concept will blow your mind.

Most cultures in history practiced slavery, there's no what about here. Blaming Europeans for slavery is the same as blaming Asians for the invention of murder. It's nonsensical, naive or disingenuous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_..._Aztec_culture

[Thekri]

Most cultures in history practiced slavery, there's no what about here. Blaming Europeans for slavery is the same as blaming Asians for the invention of murder. It's nonsensical, naive or disingenuous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_..._Aztec_culture

You do know you can be blamed for something you didn't invent, right? If I cheat on my spouse, it isn't much of an argument to point out I didn't invent the concept of sleeping with other women.

[tikcol]

You do know you can be blamed for something you didn't invent, right? If I cheat on my spouse, it isn't much of an argument to point out I didn't invent the concept of sleeping with other women.

I'm sure you would think twice before blaming another man for cheating on his wife while you're doing the same. Or would you be disingenuous enough to take the moral high ground and pretend you weren't?

That's the problem here. Slavery is wrong. Pretending slavery didn't exist before European starting colonizing the world is disingenuous.

[Thekri]

I'm sure you would think twice before blaming another man for cheating on his wife while you're doing the same. Or would you be disingenuous enough to take the moral high ground and pretend you weren't?

That's the problem here. Slavery is wrong. Pretending slavery didn't exist before European starting colonizing the world is disingenuous.

But I am not doing any such thing. The core problem you are struggling with is ascribing a racial identity to the "blame". The fact that plenty of White Americans kept slaves doesn't mean that "Whites" are evil slave owners. It is a reductionist mindset that obscures the concept in the first place. That is the whole point of individual responsibility.

It isn't like blaming another man for cheating on his wife while I am doing the same, it is like claiming I have no right to criticize any man for cheating on his wife, because some men cheat on their wife, and I am a man. It is assigning a collective blame to someone that isn't part of it.

We can, and should, teach that America was set up by white men, for the benefit of white men, to the exclusion of basically everyone else. We should teach this because it is true. That does not mean that white men are evil or bad, it means history is what it is.

[tikcol]

But I am not doing any such thing. The core problem you are struggling with is ascribing a racial identity to the "blame". The fact that plenty of White Americans kept slaves doesn't mean that "Whites" are evil slave owners. It is a reductionist mindset that obscures the concept in the first place. That is the whole point of individual responsibility.

It isn't like blaming another man for cheating on his wife while I am doing the same, it is like claiming I have no right to criticize any man for cheating on his wife, because some men cheat on their wife, and I am a man. It is assigning a collective blame to someone that isn't part of it.

We can, and should, teach that America was set up by white men, for the benefit of white men, to the exclusion of basically everyone else. We should teach this because it is true. That does not mean that white men are evil or bad, it means history is what it is.

Ascribing a racial identity? My whole point is that there's no such thing as a racial identity to slavery because it's a problem seen all over the world as long as history itself.

I know you people love your tribalistic arguments.

We can, and should, teach that America was set up by white men, for the benefit of white men, to the exclusion of basically everyone else. We should teach this because it is true.

I'm done here, you're one of those and there's no reasoning with people like you

[Thekri]

I'm done here, you're one of those and there's no reasoning with people like you

Cool, so you have a different narrative of how America got started? I am interested in hearing it. Who exactly are you counting in America's formation that had different objectives?

This is what it all breaks down to. You don't want actual history taught because you feel like it attacks you. So you want the whitewashed version that makes you feel good, where America always stood for the benefit of all mankind, was always that shining city on a hill, how it "won the west", and has always been the envy of the world. There is some truth to that narrative, those ideas should be taught, but it isn't even close to the complete story of this country. There has always been a gulf between the idea and the reality, and there have always been people working at closing the gap between them. You can't really appreciate American heroes like Sojourner Truth and David Crockett unless you understood that what they stood against was just as American as they were.

[Milchshake]

Voter Enthusiasm to kick out the fascist??

IN-PERSON EARLY VOTING begins today in:

• Virginia
• Minnesota
• South Dakota
• Wyoming

There are already hundreds of voters lined up in Fairfax, Virginia. Local officials tell CNN they've never seen this many people show up on the first day.

[Adam Jensen]

Ascribing a racial identity? My whole point is that there's no such thing as a racial identity to slavery because it's a problem seen all over the world as long as history itself.

Within the scope of American history, there is a racial identity to slavery. Hell, race was a reason why the South justified slavery. They believed that the "negro" was a savage man who couldn't care for himself in a civilized fashion and needed the stern hand of a white Christian master. They believed whites were the superior race. This is evident in the writing from slave owner and supporters of slavery at the time.

Sure, there were non-black slaves, and non-white slave owners across the world through time and history, but this thread is within the scope of US history, where it was clearly driven by race, and it was an issue of white men owning blacks.

Does this mean "all whites are bad?" No. Not even in that era, you had a whole spectrum of men from slave owners to abolitionists who believed the races were equal. But that doesn't change the fact that slavery, in the scope of US history, was explicitly racist, and was explicitly whites owning blacks.

Pointing out the racist crimes of the United States is not to say "white men are bad." Because no one except the most moronic extremist is saying that. No one is saying you (if you're white) should feel guilty for things your ancestors may have done in the past. Perhaps they ask you to acknowledge it and learn from it, but no one wants you to feel guilty for it. The past is immutable, it happened, and we can learn from it. But we won't learn from it if we refuse to look at it. Much of American history is painful, much of it is white men looking down on blacks and other minorities. But it's history, we learn from it, we move on. White people aren't bad people, but we (and I say this because I'm white too) need to understand that we built ourselves a racist pedestal that still gives us advantages to this day, some of it so ingrained in society it's difficult to see. Racism never ended in the US, it suffered a few major defeats, but it lingers. The only way we can finally put it in the grave for good is to take an honest and objective look at history and learn from it.

That won't happen so long as some states decide to whitewash events like the civil war and downplay the effects of slavery.

[Thekri]

Pointing out the racist crimes of the United States is not to say "white men are bad." Because no one except the most moronic extremist is saying that. No one is saying you (if you're white) should feel guilty for things your ancestors may have done in the past. Perhaps they ask you to acknowledge it and learn from it, but no one wants you to feel guilty for it. The past is immutable, it happened, and we can learn from it. But we won't learn from it if we refuse to look at it.

Exactly. So according to the family history (23andMe and such) my family did, my ancestors at the time of the civil war were semi-wealthy businessmen that bought slaves in New Orleans and sold them up the Mississippi from Baton Rouge to Ohio. They apparently had semi-frequent buisness dealings with Nathan Bedford Forrest, who was in the same trade. According to the couple of contemporary newspapers that carried advertisements for them, they apparently specialized in "Domestics", IE light skinned, attractive, young black women who were sold to wealthy men as status symbols and concubines.

In other words, my ancestors, the ones with the same last name as me, were human traffickers that sold countless young women into sexual slavery hundreds of miles away from their parents and family. This does not make me a horrible person. This does not make me responsible for their actions. It DOES make my ancestors horrible people, and it DOES mean I have absolutely no interest in honoring their "heritage". Being aware of these facts does not lesson my self-worth, nor does it make me hate America. It simply broadens my understanding of what the world is like, where I and this country comes from. It also gives me insight that there are hundreds of thousands or possibly even millions of people in this country that are the descendants of people my ancestors sold. Which is something worth keeping in mind, because that story might be very poignant to them as well as me.