[SPOILER]Return of Garrosh?

[baskev]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=317997/...urn-of-garrosh

Hope they kill him off. If they bring him back, after what they did to the night elves. Ysera, ursoc etc....then yeah. We alliance will go bonkers.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

So, invading Gilneas, Ashenvale and Theramore was also everyone's else fault? Installing Waffen-SS Kor'kron and beating the shit of the people of Orgrimmar doesn't matter?

Yes ashenvale was some one else’s fault, garrosh was willing to trade until the TH mucked it up and forced his hand to invade for have his people starve.

Theramore also made it self a target by staging troops into horde lands.


The kor’kron was the fault of the traitors leaders on every side he didn’t put them in place day one.

So that just leaves the war on the wolf’s being his fault.

[Gurahk]

So, invading Gilneas, Ashenvale and Theramore was also everyone's else fault? Installing Waffen-SS Kor'kron and beating the shit of the people of Orgrimmar doesn't matter?

Garrosh did plenty wrong, but Ashenvale wasn't part of it. The Twilight Hammer messed up the meetings between the druids by disguising themselves as Orgrimmar grunts and staged an attack on said druids.
Cairne then challenged him to a Mak'gora due to believing Garrosh personally sent those orcs, the night elves refused to cooperate anymore and the rest is history.

[Super Dickmann]

Not true. While both where in agreement, it was definitely Garrosh wanting it.

Cairne, without bothering to investigate the false flag, ran into Garrosh's throne room and slapped him, challenging him to Mak'gora. Garrosh then upped the stakes to a fight to the death to intimidate him. Instead, Cairne accepts.

[Alanar]

My thoughts as well, they even threw a bone at Garrosh fans in the Mag'har introduction storyline by stating he was a good Warchief in all timelines except ours. Given that he doesn't show up in Revendreth storyline makes me think he's thrown in the Maw though, and he is patch material for later excursions deeper into the Maw.

One of the focal points of the expansion is saving people from their fates in the Maw. Thrall, Baine, Jaina, etc we save early on. Anduin will have to wait until later for his rescue. But Blizzard has dropped hints towards saving dead people as well, Arthas, Varian, Garrosh just to name a few. We will find them in the Maw most likely. What happens with them we don't know.

And last but not least, let's not compare Ursoc to Garrosh. Ursoc is a minor character compared to such a key figure as Garrosh. And I'm not even sure Ursoc is completely gone, who knows, the entire expansion and realm is new.

I know this is speculation.. but you bring fourth a few names that realy isnt sure if they even have a soul anymore.

Varian soul got destroyed so idk how you get that name.
Arthas will likely not be redeemed just headcanon
Garrosh will also likely not be redeemed.

Sure Blizz will think twice before throwing away their characters I assume, but kael was way more popular at the time and people where seriouesly angry same with vashj and illidan. They have a reason to bring them back. Garrosh was overused and hes iron horde storyline should have never happend imo. He served the story and Redeeming him would feel like a unfair treatment for him. He should be used as a mana battery for the rest of hes aftherlive.

[RoKPaNda]

It'll be nice to have a real Orc in WoW again.

Remember when he killed a dragon for being condescending? Imagine what he's going to do when he gets free from the vampires.

[Jshadowhunter]

Hope they kill him off. If they bring him back, after what they did to the night elves. Ysera, ursoc etc....then yeah. We alliance will go bonkers.

Considering who they left behind in charge before departing for shadowlands, that won't make much difference.

[bagina]

Hey, what if we... Sylvanas fans and Garrosh fans... formed an alliance? haha... just kidding! Unless...?

[Vrinara]

#BoycottShadowlands if our boy gets dusted.

I give you a week before you come back =P

[Narwhalosh Whalescream]

Hey, what if we... Sylvanas fans and Garrosh fans... formed an alliance? haha... just kidding! Unless...?

What if both Sylvanas and Garrosh died? Then Garrosh gets resurrected by alternate alternate alternate Draenor fel iron Gul'dan all while he inserts Sylvanas soul into Garrosh's body forming the first generation Banshee Knight.

[baskev]

Considering who they left behind in charge before departing for shadowlands, that won't make much difference.

True, was hoping for something more grand for the alliance. A bit of good luck for them.
But yeah, we are going to get a weak civil war 3.0, with maybe a garrosh 3.0. If they atleast do it. Remmember WoD? they just skipped most of the dreanei story and raids.

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Yes ashenvale was some one else’s fault, garrosh was willing to trade until the TH mucked it up and forced his hand to invade for have his people starve.

they forced his hand to invade. Or maybe try to talk again. He chose to invade. and there where otherlands west of thunderbluff.

Theramore also made it self a target by staging troops into horde lands.

Yeah, after garrosh showed he was becoming more dangerous/unhinged. So it was a reaction. And the zone was not a horde zone. the zone above, yeah that was.

The kor’kron was the fault of the traitors leaders on every side he didn’t put them in place day one.

Again, he chose the club instead of the carrot.
And why did people betray him?
Funny you do not mention it.

So that just leaves the war on the wolf’s being his fault.

So in short it was all his fault. Varian had several times he could have gone full garrosh. But he hold back. Yes he made mistakes to. But overal he hold back. Garrosh always chose the fist, mace, sword option. Never anything else.
And all his madness, muderering, assasinations etc caused the alliance to react. It cause vol'jin to rebel.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

they forced his hand to invade. Or maybe try to talk again. He chose to invade. and there where otherlands west of thunderbluff.

The night elfs were not willing to talk further and With the cataclysm and alliance started to act on the war they started in undercity They were strapped on time even more so then they were before setting up whole new operations which would have taken time to get any results was a non option.

Yeah, after garrosh showed he was becoming more dangerous/unhinged. So it was a reaction. And the zone was not a horde zone. the zone above, yeah that waS.

Theramore was being used as a staging ground before the cataclysm it had nothing to do With garrosh becoming unhinged and they had troopings going a stones throw away from org and mulgore. They made them selfs a threat before garrosh had done any thing.

Again, he chose the club instead of the carrot.
And why did people betray him?
Funny you do not mention it.

Carine betrayed him because He was tricked by the TH and didn’t look into it at all.

Vul’jin betrayed him for no reason.

Sylvanas was apparently working with the jailer or some shit but to keep it in line with cata She was trying to expans the forsaken and using blight every where which garrosh was against.

None of them were garrosh’S fault but sylvanas but she was mimicking the lichking so it was totally justified.

So in short it was all his fault. Varian had several times he could have gone full garrosh. But he hold back. Yes he made mistakes to. But overal he hold back. Garrosh always chose the fist, mace, sword option. Never anything else.
And all his madness, muderering, assasinations etc caused the alliance to react. It cause vol'jin to rebel.

Varian started the war when thrall was in charge Every thing garrosh did was in respone to that war and the betray of the other horde leaders not the other way round.

[gcsmith]

Garrosh did plenty wrong, but Ashenvale wasn't part of it. The Twilight Hammer messed up the meetings between the druids by disguising themselves as Orgrimmar grunts and staged an attack on said druids.
Cairne then challenged him to a Mak'gora due to believing Garrosh personally sent those orcs, the night elves refused to cooperate anymore and the rest is history.

You know, when a trade partner stops dealing with you, maybe go ask other people? Butchering them was entirely his fault.

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The night elfs were not willing to talk further and With the cataclysm and alliance started to act on the war they started in undercity They were strapped on time even more so then they were before setting up whole new operations which would have taken time to get any results was a non option.

Theramore was being used as a staging ground before the cataclysm it had nothing to do With garrosh becoming unhinged and they had troopings going a stones throw away from org and mulgore. They made them selfs a threat before garrosh had done any thing.



Carine betrayed him because He was tricked by the TH and didn’t look into it at all.

Vul’jin betrayed him for no reason.

Sylvanas was apparently working with the jailer or some shit but to keep it in line with cata She was trying to expans the forsaken and using blight every where which garrosh was against.

None of them were garrosh’S fault but sylvanas but she was mimicking the lichking so it was totally justified.


Varian started the war when thrall was in charge Every thing garrosh did was in respone to that war and the betray of the other horde leaders not the other way round.

Curious, didn't Vol'jin only betray him after Garrosh tried assassinating him?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Curious, didn't Vol'jin only betray him after Garrosh tried assassinating him?

I can’t think of any other word for threatening to kill and working against your ruler other then betrayal and that happens incredibly early on, Mabye there’s a more appropriate word but none come to mind.

[Syegfryed]

And he was making expansions outside of kalimdor so no he didnt only want to conquer Kalimodoe alone... so your point doesn't stand.

he was making expansions there to fight the alliance, not to conquer Easter kingdoms

He was never a good character that's what im saying. The defense you provide just shows you like his character and dislike the mop direction. But using MoP as a crutch doesn't barr him from his characterization prior to Mop.

good in what sense? a good person like thrall is? no he wasn't, but he was a good character, he delivered an enjoyable story, had reasons, had flaws and did cool stuff, some of then were imperative to the horde survival, he was completely fine in cata

He was never nuetral. Yes Thrall made him a leader which was a big mistake but he could have turned it down but instead he took it anyway. He's not a neutral character at all he was on the warpath with little to no strategy other than instigate war every chance he got. He was closer to being what they did in mop than not. But, he there was a chance to not make him a total villian, sure.

no strategy? do you even know what he did? transform the horde in a super potency, he retake horde territories and grab more, he only lost ashenvale because deus ex machina wild god powered varian. Instigate war? you mean the war the alliance started and also instigated in every front? lol, you guys think Garrosh was the one who start everything, when he is merely the person who try to finish it

[Super Dickmann]

Hey, what if we... Sylvanas fans and Garrosh fans... formed an alliance? haha... just kidding! Unless...?

The funniest thing post-BFA has been the people who gleefully pushed to have her and Garrosh before her removed in the hopes that it'd give them muh honor Horde back see that they'll get Alliance 2.0 and be upset. They were warned.

[Arrashi]

The funniest thing post-BFA has been the people who gleefully pushed to have her and Garrosh before her removed in the hopes that it'd give them muh honor Horde back see that they'll get Alliance 2.0 and be upset. They were warned.

And we aren't even started. Soon we will have scenario where baine and zappyboi go and buy nintendo switch.

[Archmage Xaxxas]

I give you a week before you come back =P

Christ alive, I pre-ordered SL the day it was announced. I was making a hype-joke.

What do you get out of behaving that way?

[Syegfryed]

they forced his hand to invade. Or maybe try to talk again. He chose to invade. and there where otherlands west of thunderbluff.

ty to talk again? lmao, like they would listen, thus, your people is dying, there is no waiting

Yeah, after garrosh showed he was becoming more dangerous/unhinged. So it was a reaction. And the zone was not a horde zone. the zone above, yeah that was.

no, theramore was serving as alliance base way before that, day one of cataclysm they launch an massive force against honor's stands, even prior Garrosh doing anything, reaction my ass

Again, he chose the club instead of the carrot.
And why did people betray him?
Funny you do not mention it.

because they acted like massive retards, they didn't want to fight a war the alliance started, they would rather died shocked by the alliance than do something bout because "muh garrosh bloodthirsty""

So in short it was all his fault. Varian had several times he could have gone full garrosh. But he hold back. Yes he made mistakes to. But overal he hold back. Garrosh always chose the fist, mace, sword option. Never anything else.
And all his madness, muderering, assasinations etc caused the alliance to react. It cause vol'jin to rebel.

bull shit, the alliance attacked and started the war first, the horde was reacting then took a more pro-active approach, Varian went full yolo in cataclysm just like to the point of losing a lot because of that, saying it was Garrosh fault only show completely unawareness of the events.

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You know, when a trade partner stops dealing with you, maybe go ask other people? Butchering them was entirely his fault.

why would i do that, when i already have a base there, and said trade partner declared open war against me, and they are killing our people while trying to kick us out?

they didn't want to trade, they chose axe

Curious, didn't Vol'jin only betray him after Garrosh tried assassinating him?

vol'jin disrespect Garrosh multiple times and sworn to kill him, Garrosh was in his right of warchief.

[Super Dickmann]

And we aren't even started. Soon we will have scenario where baine and zappyboi go and buy nintendo switch.

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