Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Felya]

Don't - he's lying.

It’s important to show that we are willing to call out “our own”. I see people watching Biden voters not being blind drones, as a good thing. I’d prefer better arguments, but... I like popcorn, it’s fine...

This is insane.

You are telling me... lol

[Rasulis]

Why are we talking about Sanders? He is not even in the election.

Ultimately, Clinton lost 2016 because of low Democratic voters turnout. Only 59.6% of black voters showed up. Down from 66.6% in 2012. The first decline since 1996. Only 47.6% of eligible Latino voters showed up. More than half of eligible Latino voters did not bother to vote. Meanwhile, white voters turnout stayed relatively the same at 65.3% (65% in 2012) of eligible voters.

[cubby]

I did [post cites and links]. In the big long post you ignored.

But I'm the child here, ok. Here read this fucking post. Don't skim it, read it. then give your facts as to why its all wrong, Counselor, because you haven't provided ANYTHING to back your point. Nothing.

There aren't any cites or links in that post. That entire post is some diatribe as to why your feels are somehow facts.

This is insane.

Your post really is...you think your words are evidence....

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It’s important to show that we are willing to call out “our own”. I see people watching Biden voters not being blind drones, as a good thing. I’d prefer better arguments, but... I like popcorn, it’s fine...

You are telling me... lol

Lol, indeed. I just asked for evidence and he posted his little thesis...with no links in it. I think he believes his words and feels are evidence. I should start citing myself...

[Bodakane]

There aren't any cites or links in that post. That entire post is some diatribe as to why your feels are somehow facts.




Your post really is...you think your words are evidence....

I posted facts.

Trump won the election.
Hillary is moderate.
Independents (who you think are moderate) voted for Trump who is not moderate at all on any level.
Most people aren't into politics.
People are fatigued.
etc.

What fact or cite have you given? None. You haven't even provided reasoning. And you still refuse to actually address my points.

[Belize]

Better bring a lot of money. Real estate is expensive. Not SF expensive. However, Auckland is about SD expensive.

TBH I'm not sure which one is worse, Auckland or Queenstown

[Bodakane]

There aren't any cites or links in that post. That entire post is some diatribe as to why your feels are somehow facts.




Your post really is...you think your words are evidence....

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Lol, indeed. I just asked for evidence and he posted his little thesis...with no links in it. I think he believes his words and feels are evidence. I should start citing myself...

What links have you provided to prove your thesis that the only legit form of voter turnout is in the primaries?

[Endus]

I posted facts.

Trump won the election.
Hillary is moderate.
Independents (who you think are moderate) voted for Trump who is not moderate at all on any level.
Most people aren't into politics.
People are fatigued.
etc.

What fact or cite have you given? None. You haven't even provided reasoning. And you still refuse to actually address my points.

The item I put in green is opinion, and only makes sense if you're looking at the overall political spread.
The items in red all require solid citations to back them up, if you want to make those assertions. You can't just declare them to be facts and walk away without establishing them as such. That's what people are calling you out for.

As an outside perspective who didn't get involved in that fight.

[Bodakane]

The item I put in green is opinion, and only makes sense if you're looking at the overall political spread.
The items in red all require solid citations to back them up, if you want to make those assertions. You can't just declare them to be facts and walk away without establishing them as such. That's what people are calling you out for.

As an outside perspective who didn't get involved in that fight.

Fine. I respect you and I will find links to back that stuff up.

Now please do the same for them, because they haven't proven their assertions either.

Hillary is a moderate:
https://politicalcompass.org/uselection2016
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37423550
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi...illary_Clinton

Independents (who you think are moderate) voted for Trump who is not moderate at all on any level:
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics...endured/2-2-2/

Most people aren't into politics:
Population in the US in 2016 was 323.1 million. Only 138 million voted.

People are fatigued:
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2...-on-democracy/

[draynay]

There's a lot of effort going into arguing about unprovable hypotheticals.

Though I do agree that the 49ers are in desperate need of medical attention.

[cubby]

I posted facts.

Trump won the election.
Hillary is moderate.
Independents (who you think are moderate) voted for Trump who is not moderate at all on any level.
Most people aren't into politics.
People are fatigued.
etc.

What fact or cite have you given? None. You haven't even provided reasoning. And you still refuse to actually address my points.

You realize you didn't cite anything, right? Even if any of the above were relevant to our discussion, just stating something doesn't mean it's true. You have yet to confront the objective and evidentiary facts that Bernie failed to "bring out the vote" in the Primary, and how magically he would have in the General.

I just looked back, and you've cited nothing. No evidence. No links. Nada.

Here is what evidence, cites and links, looks like. Again.

Sanders’ efforts to turn out young voters fell short
(emphasis added)

In the last primary election, voters aged 18 to 44 were key to Sanders’ primary victory in Michigan. According to CNN exit polls, that age group represented 45 percent of the share of Democratic voters in the state in 2016, and favored the Vermont senator by a margin of 33 percent.

But this year, those younger voters represented a smaller share of voters who went to the polls in Michigan, at just 37 percent. And although 57 percent of this 18-44 age group favored Sanders, Biden’s support among voters aged 45 and older was wider — 63 percent of these older voters favored the former vice president, while just 24 percent supported Sanders.

Respond with cites and links or concede. NOT posting with cites and evidence assumes a concession.

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Fine. I respect you and I will find links to back that stuff up.

Now please do the same for them, because they haven't proven their assertions either.

Thank you. I'll be waiting.

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There's a lot of effort going into arguing about unprovable hypotheticals.

Though I do agree that the 49ers are in desperate need of medical attention.

THAT is certainly a fact. And Woods didn't even make the U.S. Open cut. The year is truly fucked.

[unfilteredJW]

Fine. I respect you and I will find links to back that stuff up.

Now please do the same for them, because they haven't proven their assertions either.

I’m sure they would but asking for things you were not willing to do yourself is shitty.

[cubby]

What links have you provided to prove your thesis?

See above.

(I cut the last part, because that's never been my point - something you continue to misrepresent at every turn)

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I’m sure they would but asking for things you were not willing to do yourself is shitty.

Did you see him repost his diatribe as "evidence"? When specifically asked for links and cites? Not sure how it could have been more clear.

The sad fact is that Bernie did not bring out the vote as he promised. And claiming that somehow he would have in the General, when he couldn't in the Primary, is almost the definition of disingenuous.

[Bodakane]

See above.

(I cut the last part, because that's never been my point - something you continue to misrepresent at every turn)

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Did you see him repost his diatribe as "evidence"? When specifically asked for links and cites? Not sure how it could have been more clear.

The sad fact is that Bernie did not bring out the vote as he promised. And claiming that somehow he would have in the General, when he couldn't in the Primary, is almost the definition of disingenuous.

Your link is an editorial that doesn't;t prove anything other than what we already knew about the result of the primaries. Now show proof or reasonable logic that explains why getting people to vote in primaries is indicative of them voting in the general.

138 million voted in the election and only 57.6 million voted in those primaries. Following your asinine logic, those 80.4 million voters don;t count.

[cubby]

Your link is an editorial that doesn't;t prove anything other than what we already knew about the result of the primaries. Now show proof or reasonable logic that explains why getting people to vote in primaries is indicative of them voting in the general.

138 million voted in the election and only 57.6 million voted in those primaries. Following your asinine logic, those 80.4 million voters don;t count.

The link shows objective numbers - the point was the numbers. That's fact. And those facts back up my analysis. Bernie didn't bring out the vote in the 2020 Primary, and there is no evidence that he would do so in the General.

I'll wait for ANY cite from you relevant to our discussion before providing MORE evidence for you.

[Bodakane]

I’m sure they would but asking for things you were not willing to do yourself is shitty.

That's what they were doing.

They didn't provide any evidence at all.

Endus highlighted something that were in question, so I just gave citations for them. i stupidly thought everyone knew Hillary was moderate and most people don't vote.

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The link shows objective numbers - the point was the numbers. That's fact. And those facts back up my analysis. Bernie didn't bring out the vote in the 2020 Primary, and there is no evidence that he would do so in the General.

I'll wait for ANY cite from you relevant to our discussion before providing MORE evidence for you.

The numbers for the primary weren't in fucking doubt. The correlation between primary numbers and general is in doubt. Prove that shit with something, once and for all.

Scroll up, i provided links in the response to Endus. Enjoy.

[cubby]

The numbers for the primary weren't in fucking doubt.

The numbers have always been my point. Thanks for conceding (you probably don't know you just did). I wish you were intellectually honest enough to admit you were wrong, but I'll take half a victory at least.

Here are more links, in case you wanted to read up:

Bernie Sanders’s failed coalition

His promise to build a new coalition has not come to fruition, and that failure has largely knocked him out of frontrunner status in the Democratic nomination contest. And while supporters of Senator Sanders will point to their social media feeds and their groups of friends and to the attendance at rallies, the numbers don’t lie. Exit polling (and for caucuses, entrance polling) shows that Mr. Sanders has not changed the Democratic electorate in a significant way, and in fact, has seen key setbacks in the precise groups he has said he would deliver on.

To jump back in, you need to show how Bernie would have brought out the vote in the General, when he couldn't in the Primary. Just a heads up.

[PhaelixWW]

Don’t for a minute pretend Democrats wouldn’t do the same thing if given the chance. In fact they tried in Obama’s last year with Merrick Garland.

Are you kidding? Scalia died 9 months before the election. RBG died 1.5 months before the election, and the Senate is supposed to be in recess from 10/12 until after the election, so more than half of that 1.5 months is not even scheduled for Senate work.

If the GOP waited the same length of time before even a nomination (over a month) as the Democrats did in 2016, then the Senate would be in recess until after the election and the point would be moot.

But they won't, because there's no semblance here of the equivalency you're falsely trying to suppose.

[Felya]

Though I do agree that the 49ers are in desperate need of medical attention.

It’s crazy... more are going down... their rookie DB just got carted off... wtf?!

[Bodakane]

The numbers have always been my point. Thanks for conceding (you probably don't know you just did). I wish you were intellectually honest enough to admit you were wrong, but I'll take half a victory at least.

Here are more links, in case you wanted to read up:

Bernie Sanders’s failed coalition

To jump back in, you need to show how Bernie would have brought out the vote in the General, when he couldn't in the Primary. Just a heads up.

Jesus christ this is ridiculous.

I never questioned what his turnout numbers were and your point was not just the numbers but how those numbers translated to the general. You are straight up lying now. I assume you're doing that, along with not actually addressing my "thesis" and now trying to change your argument because you know I'm right and you cannot go back and admit it.

[downnola]

It’s crazy... more are going down... their rookie DB just got carted off... wtf?!

Welcome to no preseason football. And there are actually people who want to shorten pre-season and add more games to the regular season. lmfao.