Genocide On The Border

[Bodakane]

accused does not mean guilty. If i accuse you of being involved of a diamond heist that doesn't automatically make you guilty, does it?

Bodakane is a diamond thief! Arrest him!

We should wait for some proof such as video evidence, medical records, etc, rather than he said she said bullshit.

Blah blah blah.

Bet you only read the headline, not what I quoted or the article. This part is the issue:

In the complaint, Dawn Wooten, a licensed practical nurse who was previously employed by the center and is represented by Project South and Government Accountability Project, reported witnessing a large number of hysterectomies performed on immigrant women detained in the facility.’

"Everybody he sees has a hysterectomy—just about everybody," Wooten said of one doctor who she described as "the uterus collector." Three lawyers cited by NBC News later identified the physician as Dr. Mahendra Amin.

[Specialka]

So when does a genocide start, when the genocide is over? How about we throw in the 200k sterilised Peruvian women as part of America's genocide of Latin America? Is that enough for you now? How about this new batch is a continuation of the issues just 20 years ago?

So each time a group of people is killed, we can call that genocide ? With you, the word genocide loses its "weight".

The inquiry will say if it is only a lone rogue doctor or a general policy (which in this case "could" be genocide).

[Themius]

So each time a group of people is killed, we can call that genocide ? With you, the word genocide loses its "weight".

The inquiry will say if it is only a lone rogue doctor or a general policy (which in this case "could" be genocide).

At this point, I question if you're considering what you're saying before you press post.

[Hilhen7]

So each time a group of people is killed, we can call that genocide ? With you, the word genocide loses its "weight".

The inquiry will say if it is only a lone rogue doctor or a general policy (which in this case "could" be genocide).

How is it even possible to be a "lone rogue doctor"? Don't you have nurses, administrators and other hospital staff involved in any operation.

Or do they normally just let doctors visit random patients and perform on the spot surgeries with no paperwork or other staff...


Yes basically genocide is killing off a group of people....

[Specialka]

How is it even possible to be a "lone rogue doctor"? Don't you have nurses, administrators and other hospital staff involved in any operation.

Or do they normally just let doctors visit random patients and perform on the spot surgeries with no paperwork or other staff...


Yes basically genocide is killing off a group of people....

Then each war can be call a genocide. Great argument right there.

About the circonstances of those incidents, I am confident there would be a full inquiry.

[Themius]

Then each war can be call a genocide. Great argument right there.

About the circonstances of those incidents, I am confident there would be a full inquiry.

A lot of wars are... a lot of wars spark due to ethnic differences which then leads to genocide. You aren't a student of history are you?

[Specialka]

A lot of wars are... a lot of wars spark due to ethnic differences which then leads to genocide. You aren't a student of history are you?

And why are they not called genocide then ? I am sure there are lots of zealots like you that would be more than happy to call them genocide, and yet nop ?

[Machismo]

Man, watching people move goalposts in order to defend genocide... you have to be a special brand of Trumpster to try and pull that off.

[Hilhen7]

Then each war can be call a genocide. Great argument right there.

About the circonstances of those incidents, I am confident there would be a full inquiry.

Many wars have been attempts of, or the start of a genocide. Good point.

Not all wars are genocides, obviously a small war over territory has a different goal compared to eliminating an entire nation, people or religion.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Then each war can be call a genocide. Great argument right there.

About the circonstances of those incidents, I am confident there would be a full inquiry.

Many wars do/did have genocides as part of them, but You wouldn’t just count any war that has a battle as a genocide as many wars don’t fit the intent of genocide.

The popular understanding of what constitutes genocide tends to be broader than the content of the norm under international law. Article II of the Genocide Convention contains a narrow definition of the crime of genocide, which includes two main elements:

A mental element: the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such"; and
A physical element, which includes the following five acts, enumerated exhaustively:
Killing members of the group
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
The intent is the most difficult element to determine. To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Cultural destruction does not suffice, nor does an intention to simply disperse a group. It is this special intent, or dolus specialis, that makes the crime of genocide so unique. In addition, case law has associated intent with the existence of a State or organizational plan or policy, even if the definition of genocide in international law does not include that element.

[Themius]

And why are they not called genocide then ? I am sure there are lots of zealots like you that would be more than happy to call them genocide, and yet nop ?

They are.

You cannot use your ignorance of facts and history as a shield... come on.

[Specialka]

They are.

You cannot use your ignorance of facts and history as a shield... come on.

And you sure can use yours to spread misinformation.

[wunksta]

And why are they not called genocide then ? I am sure there are lots of zealots like you that would be more than happy to call them genocide, and yet nop ?

They said spark. Take WW1. It was absolutely sparked due to ethnic tensions but genocide wasn't the goal nor the primary driver in WW1, even though there was genocide of the Armenians later on.

[Specialka]

They said spark. Take WW1. It was absolutely sparked due to ethnic tensions but genocide wasn't the goal nor the primary driver in WW1, even though there was genocide of the Armenians later on.

That is not is being said here, and not the meaning of the title of the thread. If it was said: those actions "could" lead to being classified as a genocide after proper investigations, why not but we are long past that

[wunksta]

That is not is being said here, and not the meaning of the title of the thread. If it was said: those actions "could" lead to being classified as a genocide after proper investigations, why not but we are long past that

If one person or a group of people are systemically targeting another ethnic group and giving them unwanted hysterectomies, how is that not genocide?

[Specialka]

If one person or a group of people are systemically targeting another ethnic group and giving them unwanted hysterectomies, how is that not genocide?

If we are talking this incident which is still under investigation, if it results in the lone rogue doctor, it won't probably be called "genocide". If it results in the targeting of that specific ethnic group by the administration, that will be different.

[Bodakane]

That is not is being said here, and not the meaning of the title of the thread. If it was said: those actions "could" lead to being classified as a genocide after proper investigations, why not but we are long past that

You're trying to parse this down by splitting so many hairs the issue is lost because its the only tactic you have to argue the atrocities being committed by Trump's emboldened ICE aren't that bad.

What is telling is that forced hysterectomies are being defended by the same people against abortion, further proving, the conservatives are the misogyny party.

[wunksta]

If we are talking this incident which is still under investigation, if it results in the lone rogue doctor, it won't probably be called "genocide". If it results in the targeting of that specific ethnic group by the administration, that will be different.

Genocide can be done by non-state actors though. There will need to be a full investigation to understand the extent of what happened.

[Elegiac]

If we are talking this incident which is still under investigation, if it results in the lone rogue doctor, it won't probably be called "genocide". If it results in the targeting of that specific ethnic group by the administration, that will be different.

Do you have a point, or is it just a compulsive need to be contrarian about everything to broadcast how many dictionary definitions you know?

[Specialka]

Do you have a point, or is it just a compulsive need to be contrarian about everything to broadcast how many dictionary definitions you know?

As long as people will be spreading nonsense, I will gladly help you get back the meaning of words.