Garrosh leading the uprising in revendreth?

[loras]

Granted I haven't played the beta so I don't know the zone's overall story but I think given the fact that revendreth is in a dire haves-and-have-nots type of situation (an afterlife having capitalist classes is totally bizarre to me but w/e), it's very obvious we're going to see an uprising by the "poor" citizens of revendreth against the elite who are hoarding all the anima.

It seems likely to me that Garrosh will likely break out (or be broken out) and lead (or at least greatly assist) the uprising against his torturers, finding his own sort of redemption that way. What do you think?

I think that Garrosh, as their main juicy boy, might just be spent before we get to him, and if not will be but a shell of his former self; i don't think the Venthyr are "meant" to juice anyone as much as they do their big batteries in the present drought.
From what i've heard Kael'thas seems far more likely to fulfill the role you mention there.

I would not object to seeing him redeem himself and go to Maldraxxus, i mean he'd be a perfect fit for that place if he can come to terms with himself.

[Ielenia]

I honestly hope not.

Garrosh should not be given a positive light, or worse, a redemption. Why? Because he did everything he did on his own free will, and worse, laughed in the face of the August Celestials and proudly proclaimed that the only thing he regrets is that he did not do enough in his war when given a chance to speak in his defense at the trial on Pandaria.

He deserves every hell he got, and should not be given redemption.

[Aqua]

W-wait... Why would he even BE IN THE FUCKING SHADOWLANDS?! He died on Draenor????????

???? The shadowlands is not 'Azeroth's land of the dead' it's just 'The land of the dead'.

[Aerisot]

I honestly hope not.

Garrosh should not be given a positive light, or worse, a redemption. Why? Because he did everything he did on his own free will, and worse, laughed in the face of the August Celestials and proudly proclaimed that the only thing he regrets is that he did not do enough in his war when given a chance to speak in his defense at the trial on Pandaria.

He deserves every hell he got, and should not be given redemption.

No he didn't lol, he was corrupted by the Sha of Pride, as evident in the actual fight, and just because we defeated him, doesn't mean we killed the sha inside him, that went with him to Draenor, We(thrall) just killed him when he was at his weakest.

Imo, the Sha of Pride is still on Draenor causing all kinds of issues..(See the Maghar scenario)

[loras]

No he didn't lol, he was corrupted by the Sha of Pride, as evident in the actual fight, and just because we defeated him, doesn't mean we killed the sha inside him, that went with him to Draenor, We(thrall) just killed him when he was at his weakest.

Imo, the Sha of Pride is still on Draenor causing all kinds of issues..(See the Maghar scenario)

That's a cool theory, i like it.
Maybe we'll see more of that sha, after all Y'shaarj was killed by the titan of time in a none too subtle fashion.
Retconning it to "ripping him from time" would hardly be a retcon at all given how much wiggle room's still available - and WoW does lack a genuine horror outside of time.

[XalAtoh]

Garrosh: "ALL I DID... I DID IT FOR THE HORDE!"

Also...

Garrosh: "I won't let MY people starve to death in the desert. I will stop at nothing - NOTHING - to ensure a proud and glorious future for the orcs and anyone with the courage to stand with us."

The true Warchief is Garrosh, and he should be freed, and take down this corrupted Activi-.... Venthyr Covenant ruled by Bobb-... Denathrius. The Venthyr are indebt to Garrosh after all the anima they stole from him.

[Aresk]

Garrosh seems a little too much of an orc-supremacist to lead the Venthyr. He also hasn't exactly drawn distinctions between sects of a people within a larger populace, so it seems very likely to me that he'd view all Venthyr as culpable for his imprisonment and attempt to destroy all of them should he be free.

[Ielenia]

No he didn't lol, he was corrupted by the Sha of Pride, as evident in the actual fight, and just because we defeated him, doesn't mean we killed the sha inside him, that went with him to Draenor, We(thrall) just killed him when he was at his weakest.

Imo, the Sha of Pride is still on Draenor causing all kinds of issues..(See the Maghar scenario)

It has been established by the game that when someone is possessed by the Sha it can be exorcised by either a ritual, as shown by Taran Zhu when he exorcises the Sha affecting a Horde/Alliance NPC during the Pandaria intro, or by beating them into submission, as demonstrated again by Taran Zhu when we beat him into submission in the Shad-Pan Monastery dungeon when he was possessed by the Sha of Anger. And guess what? We beat Garrosh into submission.

And on top of that, we defeated the Sha of Pride ten bosses prior to reaching Garrosh. And just to remind you: when someone is "corrupted by the Sha" they display certain attributes like their skin becoming grayer, some black smoke coming from them, etc. Garrosh displayed none of that.

Also: what about Garrosh before getting to Pandaria? Because he didn't get to the continent with us. He showed up roughly at the mid-point in the expansion, IIRC. And on top of that, Garrosh was already hot-headed and prideful as hell even before MoP came along.

[loras]

It has been established by the game that when someone is possessed by the Sha it can be exorcised by either a ritual, as shown by Taran Zhu when he exorcises the Sha affecting a Horde/Alliance NPC during the Pandaria intro, or by beating them into submission, as demonstrated again by Taran Zhu when we beat him into submission in the Shad-Pan Monastery dungeon. And guess what? We beat Garrosh into submission.

And on top of that, we defeated the Sha of Pride ten bosses prior to reaching Garrosh. And just to remind you: when someone is "corrupted by the Sha" they display certain attributes like their skin becoming grayer, some black smoke coming from them, etc. Garrosh displayed none of that.

To be fair Garrosh literally dove into the beating heart of the old god Y'shaarj, whatever it was that corrupted him does by no means need to behave the same as the Sha. But it wasn't the Sha of pride to be sure indeed.

[Ielenia]

To be fair Garrosh literally dove into the beating heart of the old god Y'shaarj, whatever it was that corrupted him does by no means need to behave the same as the Sha. But it wasn't the Sha of pride to be sure indeed.

Why not? Considering that the Sha is the physical manifestation of the essence of Y'shaarj after it was slain? And as I mentioned before: Garrosh was very prideful and arrogant even before MoP came along.

[loras]

Why not? Considering that the Sha is the physical manifestation of the essence of Y'shaarj after it was slain? And as I mentioned before: Garrosh was very prideful and arrogant even before MoP came along.

Well because the heart of Y'shaarj is not the breath of Y'shaarj, the Sha were his curse but the heart was his actual beating heart... that doesn't seem so intentional, nor so easily dispelled, as most old gods are nothing if not impossibly hard to fully destroy.

[Unholyground]

I strongly believe that he will aid us, I hope he's gonna curve down his rage a little bit for those who had killed him, and understand why we had to do it.
Although I don't know the role of Kael'thas in this, he seems to be part of the Revendreth campaign, as well as a an dungeon/raid boss, but I'm quite positive that he's gonna be on our side too.
The evil dude of Revendreth(I couldn't even save his name) is gonna be LK 2.0, he's gathering up Anima for a purpose that I have forgotten(or has yet to be revealed).

I mean they have been draining him for a while I imagine they will pull a lot of that pride out of him he could come to his senses. It is entirely possible he becomes a prominent figure in once we dispatch Sire D.

[Ielenia]

Well because the heart of Y'shaarj is not the breath of Y'shaarj, the Sha were his curse but the heart was his actual beating heart... that doesn't seem so intentional, nor so easily dispelled, as most old gods are nothing if not impossibly hard to fully destroy.

Even if we assume that to be true, that the corruption caused by the heart works differently than the corruption caused by the Sha, don't you think that would have come up at least once during his trial? That the August Celestials, at least, would have mentioned how Garrosh is still being affected by the corruption?

And I'll repeat what I said earlier: Garrosh did not behave any different way or in any different intensity than how he behaved prior to coming into contact with the Heart of Y'shaarj. Or even become coming to Pandaria.

[loras]

Even if we assume that to be true, that the corruption caused by the heart works differently than the corruption caused by the Sha, don't you think that would have come up at least once during his trial? That the August Celestials, at least, would have mentioned how Garrosh is still being affected by the corruption?

And I'll repeat what I said earlier: Garrosh did not behave any different way or in any different intensity than how he behaved prior to coming into contact with the Heart of Y'shaarj. Or even become coming to Pandaria.

If keepers can fail to notice corruption in their ranks then i'm not sure the august celestials would fare much better, but it's a fair point.

And that is not entirely true, the fondness/tolerance of dark/void magic and open orc-superiority stuff were certainly limited to Pandara and thereafter.

By no means do i mean to imply that Garrosh was not an irredeemable ass even before Pandaria, but he was an orcish ass and a leader of the horde, but the stuff that turned him into a loot pinata was definitely tied to the heart of Y'shaarj (and by extension the Sha) and thus a change.

Practically that means some of that stuff may have been left behind, and be up to all sorts of interesting things ^^

[Feanoro]

True communism has never existed!

That old lie again. Why not just say "Communism has killed 150 million, but they had it coming, so let's try again!"

Right now, every Western country is capitalist in name only, as most have been increasingly socialist since WW2. I dearly wish all the little keyboard communists would actually back their words with actions and emigrate to China or North Korea. After all, they may not be "pure" communism as you'd no doubt put it, but surely as a good comrade, you can work tirelessly to correct their path once there!

Or back in reality, you'll find out why countless people risked their lives to escape communist regimes. It's an insult to the memory of the ones that died trying that you spew this crap.

[Varitok]

I strongly believe that he will aid us, I hope he's gonna curve down his rage a little bit for those who had killed him, and understand why we had to do it.
Although I don't know the role of Kael'thas in this, he seems to be part of the Revendreth campaign, as well as a an dungeon/raid boss, but I'm quite positive that he's gonna be on our side too.
The evil dude of Revendreth(I couldn't even save his name) is gonna be LK 2.0, he's gathering up Anima for a purpose that I have forgotten(or has yet to be revealed).

He's a battery of pride, you think he will have any humility in this case?

[Pebrocks The Warlock]

Garrosh was never corrupted by the Sha, he was completely in control of it's power.

https://twitter.com/Muffinus/status/703066890323628032

he wasn't corrupted or controlled, yes, but his personality flaws (e.g. xenophobia) certainly came out at 110%

[XalAtoh]

People still think Garrosh is controlled?

WoD Garrosh stated in Hellscream's shortstory that he would NEVER allow his people ever be controlled by Demons, Old Dods or Dragons.

In MoP, Garrosh OWN orcs were killed by the Sha. But Garrosh was able to withstand it.

Also, Garrosh USED the Old God's power like a tool. The Old God goo was ON his body, but it did not mutate his own body, unlike Cho'gall, Deathwing and Azshara who got mulitiated like a slave of an Old God. Also in game openly stated they were corrupted. Garrosh was different, it's tiny details even his model that reveals it.

The dev stating it openly is just the nail in the coffin for this theory that Garrosh is -not- corrupted.

[Ielenia]

If keepers can fail to notice corruption in their ranks then i'm not sure the august celestials would fare much better, but it's a fair point.

There is a difference in the fact that the keepers were not made aware of any corruption going on, back in Ulduar. In contrast, the August Celestials are well aware of Garrosh's interaction with the Heart of Y'shaarj (I assume) and therefore should know how to detect the corruption.

And that is not entirely true, the fondness/tolerance of dark/void magic and open orc-superiority stuff were certainly limited to Pandara and thereafter.

Garrosh was already willing to negotiate with "darker forces" when he recruited the Dragonmaw clan. And Garrosh's interest for the "dark/void magic" happened before he set food on Pandaria. And as for his "orc-superiority", well, some of his first decrees as warchief was to banish the orcs in Orgrimmar to the slums area, and use the forsaken as basically cannon fodder.

By no means do i mean to imply that Garrosh was not an irredeemable ass even before Pandaria, but he was an orcish ass and a leader of the horde, but the stuff that turned him into a loot pinata was definitely tied to the heart of Y'shaarj (and by extension the Sha) and thus a change.

You're making an affirmation that is based purely on assumptions, and some of those assumptions even contradict other examples we see in the lore. Garrosh behaved no different before or after the Heart of Y'shaarj. You claim that Garrosh was still "corrupted by the Heart of Y'shaarj" even during his trial, despite no evidence for that.

[Piamonte]

Granted I haven't played the beta so I don't know the zone's overall story but I think given the fact that revendreth is in a dire haves-and-have-nots type of situation (an afterlife having capitalist classes is totally bizarre to me but w/e), it's very obvious we're going to see an uprising by the "poor" citizens of revendreth against the elite who are hoarding all the anima.

It seems likely to me that Garrosh will likely break out (or be broken out) and lead (or at least greatly assist) the uprising against his torturers, finding his own sort of redemption that way. What do you think?

he is going to make revendreth great again.