Russian Opposition Leader Alexei Navalny Poisoned

[Shalcker]

shackler do you believe in qanon as well because you've lost the plot here

Stop trying to make simple "connect-the-dots" on internet into something sinister. Do you see me trying to gather followers and insisting that this is the only explanation?

I'm just looking at all available information and seeing what fits and what doesn't for my own amusement. Some theories become less likely with time as more information gets available, some get more.

Navalny apparently having permanent UK resident as head of his investigative branch is quite new. And not having any social media presence is highly unusual in modern age; often happens with secret agents, but there are certainly some people paranoid enough to do it on their own.

...having that very person being the one rushing evidence to Germany though? Why not give it to his wife instead? If Pevchikh was the one who last seen Navalny after he was poisoned (as by current version he was poisoned before he arrived to airport, and they shared hotel room from which they took bottle with supposed Novichok traces), certainly she could enlighten investigators on what exactly happened with him?

[Easo]

Putin also suggested that the trail of Novichok goes to Latvia where one of the creators is living. He added that Navalny is a "troublemaker" and his anti-corruption fund is blackmailing goverment officials.
Truly amazing, Russia's bullshit knows no bounds. Oh no, the poor officials living in impossible to afford mansions and cruising around on multimillion yachts. How dare he say anything about them!

Shalcker, do you really think people would poison themselves with a fucking nerve agent? Not to mention where he would get it in the first place?! Oh oh let me guess - it was made in Europe? xD

His is pretty ironic about the possibility of it (I assume you understand Russian):
https://www.facebook.com/navalny/pho...530310/?type=3

[Shalcker]

Putin also suggested that the trail of Novichok goes to Latvia where one of the creators is living. He added that Navalny is a "troublemaker" and his anti-corruption fund is blackmailing goverment officials.
Truly amazing, Russia's bullshit knows no bounds. Oh no, the poor officials living in impossible to afford mansions and cruising around on multimillion yachts. How dare he say anything about them!

Given how many of them and their families live abroad, the trail might as well lead back to West even if it was one of officials.

Shalcker, do you really think people would poison themselves with a fucking nerve agent? Not to mention where he would get it in the first place?! Oh oh let me guess - it was made in Europe? xD

Still haven't seen anything new about specific nerve agent being used (rather then broad "family" and "new, most deadliest yet") or about lab results/samples being shared with Russia.

With modern equipment it can be made in pretty much any country by any moderately capable chemist with reasonable precautions; given that even Skripals had "super pure" version there will be nothing that could discern their origin by formula alone without any investigative work, and neither West nor Russia seems to be inclined to do it so far.

His is pretty ironic about the possibility of it (I assume you understand Russian):
https://www.facebook.com/navalny/pho...530310/?type=3

Well, did they finally found out how exactly he was poisoned?

As far as i've seen they still have no idea.

[Easo]

Given how many of them and their families live abroad, the trail might as well lead back to West even if it was one of officials.

Still haven't seen anything new about specific nerve agent being used (rather then broad "family" and "new, most deadliest yet") or about lab results/samples being shared with Russia.

With modern equipment it can be made in pretty much any country by any moderately capable chemist with reasonable precautions; given that even Skripals had "super pure" version there will be nothing that could discern their origin by formula alone without any investigative work, and neither West nor Russia seems to be inclined to do it so far.

Well, did they finally found out how exactly he was poisoned?

As far as i've seen they still have no idea.

Ah yes, corrupt officials are now connected to West. Of course

You are not on the level to be shown anything. I trust Germany and will wait.

My point was about the absurdity of Putin's comments during call with Macron. But if you want to think that Navalny poisoned himself, go ahead.

[Shalcker]

Ah yes, corrupt officials are now connected to West. Of course

Even Navalny's compatriots are pushing to sanction their assets on West (as long as their non-corrupt nature cannot be proven), of course they are connected.

You are not on the level to be shown anything. I trust Germany and will wait.

And i keep not trusting anything not verified by non-NATO sources. Anyone who is afraid of independent verification should be suspect.

My point was about the absurdity of Putin's comments during call with Macron. But if you want to think that Navalny poisoned himself, go ahead.

I have no idea what happened with Navalny (and it is impossible to prove wherever Putin does or does not), so i'm looking at all options.

[jonnysensible]

non-NATO sources

you doing grayzone impressions?

[Shalcker]

you doing grayzone impressions?

Nope, i don't even know what grayzone is.

What is your exact problem with independent verification? Maybe you're against second-guessing opinions of cops too?

There will be data, it will be analyzed, either it tells what they claim it does or it doesn't.

Then once exact spots and quantities are understood versions could be drawn on how it got there.

What is there to be afraid of?

[Shalcker]

It's a good thing then that Sweden confirmed it independently. Should be a load of your tiny mind.

Sadly, secret missions to allies cannot be seen as independent.

If you want trust you need transparency.

[postman1782]

Sadly, secret missions to allies cannot be seen as independent.

If you want trust you need transparency.

I will trust ANYONE besides the dumbasses that helped elect Trump, by hacking a political opponent.

[Mutley29]

Iam loving all of this

As someone who grew up during the cold war iam loving all the BS that is coming out of Russia and its leader who seems to think he is in a coldwar time warp.

Would be so amusing if not for the fact Russia used a WMD in my home country of England and killed a civilian.

[Shalcker]

To this day neither OPCW nor Germany/other labs had shared test results or tested samples with Russia.

It's still ridiculous.

- - - Updated - - -

More official happenings:
Moscow demands Berlin provide all info on Navalny case within 10 days - Russian mission to OPCW

MOSCOW. Sept 24 (Interfax) - The Russian Permanent Representation to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) has forwarded a note to the German mission to the OPCW to demand that it provide all relevant information on the case of Russian opposition activist Alexei Navalny within ten days.

"On September 23, the Russian Federation's Permanent Representation to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons sent a note to the Federal Republic of Germany's Permanent Representation to the OPCW to demand that the German side hand over exhaustive information on the so-called Navalny case, particularly 'the results of analyses, biomaterials, and other clinical samples' of the Russian citizen that the federal government possesses," the representation said in a statement on Thursday.

This request has been filed in line with Clause 2 of Article IX of the Chemical Weapons Convention, under which Germany is supposed to provide a response within ten days, the statement said.

"Simultaneously, Russian Permanent Representative to the OPCW Alexander Shulgin has forwarded a letter to OPCW Director-General Fernando Arias to notify him that we have invoked the aforementioned convention mechanism and forwarded the relevant note to the Federal Republic of Germany's Permanent Representation," it said.

Russia has also proposed that the director-general inform all State Parties to the Chemical Weapons Convention of this fact, the statement said.

Depending on Germany's response, "we will decide on further steps, making use of the opportunities laid out in the convention," it said.

"We also expect all OPCW members, primarily Germany, France, and Sweden, to unconditionally honor their obligations on the provision of legal assistance in compliance with Clause 2 of Article VII of the Chemical Weapons Convention," the statement said.

[arandomuser]

russia is a roadmap for what will happen to the US in a 2nd trump term, you have some rights, but cause too big of a noise, and you go mysteriously missing or jump out of a window.

[jonnysensible]

To this day neither OPCW nor Germany/other labs had shared test results or tested samples with Russia.

It's still ridiculous.

'The West has not been transparent in explaining how a Russian in Russia who was under surveillance by Russian intelligence agents got poisoned by a Russian nerve agent only Russia has while on a plane going from Russia to Russia.'

[Shalcker]

'The West has not been transparent in explaining how a Russian in Russia who was under surveillance by Russian intelligence agents got poisoned by a Russian nerve agent only Russia has while on a plane going from Russia to Russia.'

How exactly do you prove to yourself "only Russia has" for known chemical family?

Russia discovered and experimented with it, that is all that we know with fair amount of certainty.

There are no fingerprints on it.

[Nastard]

How exactly do you prove to yourself "only Russia has" for known chemical family?

Russia discovered and experimented with it, that is all that we know with fair amount of certainty.

Shalcker makes a good point. Just because we don't KNOW about the existence of secret mole men doesn't mean they aren't real and poisoned this man. Hell, it could have even been the evil reverse vampires.

[Easo]

Shalcker makes a good point. Just because we don't KNOW about the existence of secret mole men doesn't mean they aren't real and poisoned this man. Hell, it could have even been the evil reverse vampires.

It about as good as debating whether there is a teapot floating around the Sun.

[Shalcker]

It about as good as debating whether there is a teapot floating around the Sun.

"And since we know Russia launched teapots, and it is highly likely some teapot still exists, it's definitely Russia every time teapots are involved."

[Easo]

"And since we know Russia launched teapots, and it is highly likely some teapot still exists, it's definitely Russia every time teapots are involved."

Nah, we have the previous cases to base this conclusion upn, since we know Russia has not changed.

[Shalcker]

Nah, we have the previous cases to base this conclusion upn, since we know Russia has not changed.

As long as you admit that it isn't proof, just probability.

[Easo]

As long as you admit that it isn't proof, just probability.

Emphasis on the words "highly likely probability", considering everything before. No one believes Russia. You can scream about everyone unfairly judging it or being russophobes or... you can start thinking why duck is a duck if it looks and quacks like one.