So Sylvanas is already familiar with Shadowlands before WoW:SL and has idea of what h

[vertigo12]

Seems like Sylvanas knows a lot about the Maw, Jailer and Shadowlands even before the events after BfA.
If Sylvanas died in the hands of Arthras, then she spent moments in the after realm for the dead for some quite time and be much familiar with the place.

Also when she commited suicide, perhaps it was her own way to make contact with the realm since she is "a cat with nine lives" and cannot visit there physically yet.

Does it mean she is already allies with the Jailer way back WC3:TFT since she's pretty cool and chill with Kel'thuzad and the Nathrezims. And she has an idea of whatever plan the jailer might be at.

Did her power to break free from the bonds of Arthras weaking control probably came from Shadowlands itself and the concept for freewill among the dead in line with breaking free from being a prison of the death-life system and has connection with the Jailer being chained and being jailed?

[Pebrocks The Warlock]

https://www.mmo-champion.com/content...-A-Panel-Recap

Q: Did the Jailer see Sylvanas as a threat?
A: We will find out during the story that Sylvanas's dealings with the Jailer started when she threw herself off of Icecrown in Edge of Night. She helped Varian in Legion as a way to thrust herself into a position of power.

[Foolicious]

Edit: Meh, someone was already faster xD

[Combatbutler]

Does it mean she is already allies with the Jailer way back WC3:TFT since she's pretty cool and chill with Kel'thuzad and the Nathrezims. And she has an idea of whatever plan the jailer might be at.

Nope she went to paradise after her first death and wanted to go back there, after she was done punishing Arthas and humanity, which did not work out and she ended up in the maw, so far we don't know why.

[StationaryHawk]

Frostmourne absorbs the souls of those it kills. Sylvanas would not have ended up in the Shadowlands after being slain by Arthas, even had he not risen her.

[Maljinwo]

She helped Varian in Legion as a way to thrust herself into a position of power.

Ah yes. The galaxy brain of Sylvanas working for her superior plans when she herself admitted she didn't want to be Warchief and cursed Vol'jin for naming her

Stay classy, Warcraft

[Combatbutler]

Frostmourne absorbs the souls of those it kills. Sylvanas would not have ended up in the Shadowlands after being slain by Arthas, even had he not risen her.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/st...nas-windrunner

Sylvanas Windrunner drifts in a sea of comfort, physical sensations replaced by the purity of emotion. She can grasp bliss, see joy, hear peace. This is the afterlife, her destiny. The eternal sea in which she found herself after she fell defending Silvermoon. She belongs here. With each recollection, her memory of this place palls. The sound grows distant; the warmth, cooler. The vision takes on the pallor of a half-remembered dream. But with horrific clarity, the memory always ends the same: Sylvanas's spirit is wrenched away. The pain is so intense it leaves her soul forever torn. The grinning face of Arthas Menethil, with his lopsided smile and dead eyes, leers at her as he pulls her back into the world. Violates her. His laughter—that hollow laugh—the memory of it makes her skin crawl!

[StationaryHawk]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/st...nas-windrunner

Sylvanas Windrunner drifts in a sea of comfort, physical sensations replaced by the purity of emotion. She can grasp bliss, see joy, hear peace. This is the afterlife, her destiny. The eternal sea in which she found herself after she fell defending Silvermoon. She belongs here. With each recollection, her memory of this place palls. The sound grows distant; the warmth, cooler. The vision takes on the pallor of a half-remembered dream. But with horrific clarity, the memory always ends the same: Sylvanas's spirit is wrenched away. The pain is so intense it leaves her soul forever torn. The grinning face of Arthas Menethil, with his lopsided smile and dead eyes, leers at her as he pulls her back into the world. Violates her. His laughter—that hollow laugh—the memory of it makes her skin crawl!

Being consistent is hard for Blizzard, I guess.

[Lady Atia]

Being consistent is hard for Blizzard, I guess.

Uther's soul also got split in half and he ended up in Shadowlands, so actually, they would be consistent for once ^^

[StationaryHawk]

Uther's soul also got split in half and he ended up in Shadowlands, so actually, they would be consistent for once ^^

Uther is almost definitely an exception. His prayer suggests it was the Light's intervention that split his soul, not poor craftsmanship.

[Darknessvamp]

Ah yes. The galaxy brain of Sylvanas working for her superior plans when she herself admitted she didn't want to be Warchief and cursed Vol'jin for naming her

Stay classy, Warcraft

I'm still waiting for their justification for Sylvanas' death and resurrection during Cataclysm in Silverpine and saying "I love being alive and want more Val'kyrs to stay alive" and how that fit in her 62D plan in helping secure the Jailer's freedom.

[Houle]

I'm still waiting for their justification for Sylvanas' death and resurrection during Cataclysm in Silverpine and saying "I love being alive and want more Val'kyrs to stay alive" and how that fit in her 62D plan in helping secure the Jailer's freedom.

ahhh yes, thats coming up right behind the justification for the the fact that sylvanas's thoughts were laid out bare in BtS, and how they were completely different from anything going on now with her, strangely

[Maljinwo]

I'm still waiting for their justification for Sylvanas' death and resurrection during Cataclysm in Silverpine and saying "I love being alive and want more Val'kyrs to stay alive" and how that fit in her 62D plan in helping secure the Jailer's freedom.

Man, we really need to find Godfrey in the Shadowlands and give him a Shotgun again

[vertigo12]

Man, we really need to find Godfrey in the Shadowlands and give him a Shotgun again

Where do you think he landed?

[Maljinwo]

Where do you think he landed?

Revendreth, probably

[vertigo12]

Revendreth, probably

Any datamine or leaks from alpha/beta tester he is indeed in there?

[Aucald]

Any datamine or leaks from alpha/beta tester he is indeed in there?

I didn't encounter him in the Revendreth levelling quests. Could be part of the later Venthyr Convenant storyline, though.

[cparle87]

I didn't encounter him in the Revendreth levelling quests. Could be part of the later Venthyr Convenant storyline, though.

Yeah, probably venthyr. Fundamentally good guy whose flaw was he was horribly racist against worgen and couldn't accept that they were mindless monsters and weren't anymore and couldn't accept his people, and his king had become them... Then again except for the king and people part that describes most humans.

[Maljinwo]

I dont think Blizzard even remembers Godfrey

I do though.
He was a hero

[vertigo12]

Yeah, probably venthyr. Fundamentally good guy whose flaw was he was horribly racist against worgen and couldn't accept that they were mindless monsters and weren't anymore and couldn't accept his people, and his king had become them... Then again except for the king and people part that describes most humans.

Hmm maybe this deserves a new thread but where could have several WC1-3 NPC have landed on Shadowlands?
Garithos? Daelin Proudmoore? Zul'jin? Neltharion, Sinestra, Malygos?Medhivh? Guldan? The demonic entities now Argus si no more like Archimonde/Kiljaeden?