Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Endus]

I mean, according to Specialka's arguments it warrants lethal force.

Technically, by Specialka's arguments, just by being there and being armed, that means they could have shot someone, and that imagined possibility is all it takes to justify pre-emptively shooting them in self defense.

So the protesters could have just mass-gunned-down every single militia member just for being armed, and Specialka thinks that's okay.

Well, it's either that, or they're engaging in rank hypocrisy over partisan allegiances.

[Felya]

Did he point his gun toward Rosenbaum ? Did he shot the previous guy ? If both are yes, so yep. But if not, nop.

Do you think brave people are just too stupid to know there is danger?

[Specialka]

So you agree? You're admitting it wasn't lawful self defense because Rittenhouse did not have a lawful reason to be there?

You know it is not that simple

Or he would been arrested by the Police like all those people breaking the curfew.

[Elegiac]

Technically, by Specialka's arguments, just by being there and being armed, that means they could have shot someone, and that imagined possibility is all it takes to justify pre-emptively shooting them in self defense.

So the protesters could have just mass-gunned-down every single militia member just for being armed, and Specialka thinks that's okay.

Well, it's either that, or they're engaging in rank hypocrisy over partisan allegiances.

Debate over, bud. They admitted it wasn't legal self defense because Rittenhouse was violating curfew.

Finally we are free.

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You know it is not that simple

Or he would been arrested by the Police like all those people breaking the curfew.

Unless what the protesters are saying is in fact true and the police are enforcing a system of structural racism and oppression, which is evidenced by the communications between the police and the far right extremists. QED.

/yawn

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Low effort bait.

One of the first things they teach you when it comes to gun safety is to not point your weapon at something you're unwilling to destroy. Pointing a firearm at another human is a big fucking deal, bubs. I like how you just handwave it away after I gave you what you asked for and then call me dishonest. The audacity of the caucasity.

I mentioned earlier in the thread weeks ago, but I'll repeat; I had a summer job in college working with period firearms, black-powder rifles specifically. We used real weapons, not replicas, and not only were they kept in firing condition, we did firing demonstrations with them regularly. Firearms safety was absolutely central to the job. Our weapons were never loaded with anything but blank cartridges; we literally did not have bullets on-site. Regardless, during training, you got a three-strike system; if your muzzle drifted over any person, even if the breach were open and you were in the middle of cleaning it, that was a strike. Three strikes, you were fired. After training, it was immediate dismissal if it ever happened, for any reason. Training was only three weeks.

This was a tourism job. Not security, or militia, or anything of the sort. And it paid barely more than minimum wage. And this was still the bare minimum expectations. If you couldn't hack this, you weren't responsible enough to carry the weapon. Really basic shit.

Anyone who lets their muzzle drift over another human being they aren't expecting to need to kill, that person is a dangerous nutcase who has no business handling a weapon, and they are putting everyone around them at risk. They have no fucking clue what they're doing with a gun.

[Elegiac]

I mentioned earlier in the thread weeks ago, but I'll repeat; I had a summer job in college working with period firearms, black-powder rifles specifically. We used real weapons, not replicas, and not only were they kept in firing condition, we did firing demonstrations with them regularly. Firearms safety was absolutely central to the job. Our weapons were never loaded with anything but blank cartridges; we literally did not have bullets on-site. Regardless, during training, you got a three-strike system; if your muzzle drifted over any person, even if the breach were open and you were in the middle of cleaning it, that was a strike. Three strikes, you were fired. After training, it was immediate dismissal if it ever happened, for any reason. Training was only three weeks.

This was a tourism job. Not security, or militia, or anything of the sort. And it paid barely more than minimum wage. And this was still the bare minimum expectations. If you couldn't hack this, you weren't responsible enough to carry the weapon. Really basic shit.

Anyone who lets their muzzle drift over another human being they aren't expecting to need to kill, that person is a dangerous nutcase who has no business handling a weapon, and they are putting everyone around them at risk. They have no fucking clue what they're doing with a gun.

I would also like to point out the same is true of most decent archery ranges in terms of letting a nocked arrow drift out of the lane or - fun fact - dry firing a bow.

All this is really doing is outing the people who think being forced to wear a seatbelt is equivalent to slavery.

[Zython]

You are the one being dishonest here. A fist in your face can be a risk of imminent death or great bodily harm if hit repeatedly. There is no indication that Rosenbaum would have harm him but there is none the other way around where he would not have, and I wonder who would want to check that and wait for the fist to connect to his own face to act.

By this logic, I’m allowed to kill anyone on the far-right, as they are threats to me personally.

[Felya]

You know it is not that simple

Or he would been arrested by the Police like all those people breaking the curfew.

What’s the qualifier for the “or”? This isn’t simple logic...

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By this logic, I’m allowed to kill anyone on the far-right, as they are threats to me personally.

Actually, he is wrong. Kicking someone while they are down, has constituted an attack with a dead weapon. A fist does not constitute one or all combat sports would be banned...

Edit: Law doesn’t follow Bill Watts rules... you don’t commit murder by tossing someone over the top rope either.

[DKjaigen]

Go ahead and pony up with some proof that "antifascists" have fucked over average american workers, or BLM for that matter. And no, torching a few Targets that were closed due to the pandemic anyway doesn't count. Because I can immediately point at California and point out how much greater untold damage capitalism is doing to American workers by virtue of its environmental impacts.

Its funny to see left-wingers digging their own political graves with their callousness.

[Felya]

Its funny to see left-wingers digging their own political graves with their callousness.

You literally claimed that Trump is doing the same to antifa, as Hitler did... Why don’t more Trump supporters say that? We have a way to unite the country, if Trump supporters just agree that Trump is acting like Hitler... it would unite the country... preach it brother!!!

[Elegiac]

Its funny to see left-wingers digging their own political graves with their callousness.

What callousness? It isn't the left saying property is equal to life.

[downnola]

Anyone who lets their muzzle drift over another human being they aren't expecting to need to kill, that person is a dangerous nutcase who has no business handling a weapon, and they are putting everyone around them at risk. They have no fucking clue what they're doing with a gun.

I would also like to point out the same is true of most decent archery ranges in terms of letting a nocked arrow drift out of the lane or - fun fact - dry firing a bow.

All this is really doing is outing the people who think being forced to wear a seatbelt is equivalent to slavery.

This is all stuff that anyone with elementary knowledge of firearm is aware of. The problem is we're being hit with Rational Discourse™. We're expected to believe that it's illogical that the boy who just killed two people and maimed a third was using his weapon recklessly beforehand. It couldn't be that this kid was an irresponsible operator of a deadly weapon. No, it's actually the victims fault.

I'm seeing a lot of friends of mine who are certifiable gun nuts (who rant and rave about gun safety) also defend this kid. I'm beginning to suspect that their obsession with "self-defense" and guns really isn't about defense at all.

[Felya]

This is all stuff that anyone with elementary knowledge of firearm is aware of. The problem is we're being hit with Rational Discourse™. We're expected to believe that it's illogical that the boy who just killed two people and maimed a third was using his weapon recklessly beforehand. It couldn't be that this kid was an irresponsible operator of a deadly weapon. No, it's actually the victims fault.

I'm seeing a lot of friends of mine who are certifiable gun nuts (who rant and rave about gun safety) also defend this kid. I'm beginning to suspect that their obsession with "self-defense" and guns really isn't about defense at all.

Convince the public that it’s a war zone out there... oh that Detroit... then you need an AR 15 to defend your self... and a parking lot...

Edit: Wait... was he both... defending him self and the parking lot? How do you distinguish between him shooting people in self defense and in defense of a parking lot?

[DKjaigen]

What callousness? It isn't the left saying property is equal to life.

antifa and blm are reducing 100k´s of people to poverty but you appearently you do not understand that. but callousness is something i come to expect from communist

[Felya]

antifa and blm are reducing 100k´s of people to poverty but you appearently you do not understand that. but callousness is something i come to expect from communist

Trump lied, 200000 Americans died... who is reducing what to poverty? Did BLM pass a tax cut giving away taxes to the rich? Did BLM cut funding to pandemic relief? Is BLM fearmongering keeping the public from panic, like Trump being honest about COVID, would have?

[Howel]

antifa and blm are reducing 100k´s of people to poverty but you appearently you do not understand that. but callousness is something i come to expect from communist

I am intrigued, how exactly are they driving other people into poverty?

[Endus]

antifa and blm are reducing 100k´s of people to poverty but you appearently you do not understand that. but callousness is something i come to expect from communist

Yeah, citation fucking needed.

[Felya]

Man... if Trump took Covid as seriously as he fearmongering antifa... This kid would have been bringing food to old people homes and handing out masks in those very parking lots. He wouldn’t be in jail... but, be a hero...

Can you imagine waves of Trump supporters, handing out masks and disinfectant, to open the economy as soon as possible? Holly shit, would America dominate the world... you guys are lucky we got Tru... no... lol... no you aign’t...

[downnola]

Man... if Trump took Covid as seriously as he fearmongering antifa... This kid would have been bringing food to old people homes and handing out masks in those very parking lots. He wouldn’t be in jail... but, be a hero...

Can you imagine waves of Trump supporters, handing out masks and disinfectant, to open the economy as soon as possible? Holly shit, would America dominate the world... you guys are lucky we got Tru... no... lol... no you aign’t...

That would require some level of compassion and empathy for others. They're too solipsistic to be bothered with any of that.

[Felya]

That would require some level of compassion and empathy for others. They're too solipsistic to be bothered with any of that.

It’s why I am hoping for a both sides response to my reply. Wondering how that will play out... compare it to liberals attacking your guns? If liberals played along, everyone in the country would be armed with an AR 15 and all of the stories in this thread would be totally different... Imagine how peaceful everything would be, if all protestors were armed?