View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #25761
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Jesus. Fucking. Wept.

    An internal border between Kent and the rest of the UK.

    #TakingBackControl

    I'm trying desperately not to get so wound up by this stuff anymore but... bloody hell. It's enough to make one gouge one's eyes out.
    @dribbles - put a positive spin on this for me, please.
    I don't know I favor cordoning off Kent on general principle.

  2. #25762
    Quote Originally Posted by Xarkan View Post
    Boris Johnson could probably convince those that were gullible enough to believe his lies that the eu mandated hairnets for fishermen to believe the eu demanded it
    Hairnets for fishermen? First time I heard about that, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Hairnets for fishermen? First time I heard about that, lol.
    For example mentioned here:

    He was the first journalist to paint the EU as a nest of sinister bureaucrats overseen by bombastic Germans, cunning Frenchmen and oily Italians who outmanoeuvred the limp-wristed Brits. His tales of the EU punishing the rubber industry for making undersized condoms or ordering the straightening of bananas, or insisting on fishermen wearing hairnets were not always entirely accurate, but they had an enormous impact. British eurosceptics said that the articles inspired them to break with the Conservative Party and found UKIP. The Foreign Office set up a special unit to respond to Johnson’s critiques. In May 1992, as Danes were preparing to ratify the Maastricht Treaty, Johnson ran a puffed-up story under the headline “Delors Plan to Rule Europe”. It claimed that the then President of the European Commission, Jacques Delors, intended to scrap the rotation of the EU presidency between countries and assert central control. Danish eurosceptics translated the article and used it in a successful last-minute propaganda effort to persuade Danes to vote the treaty down.
    It was back in 1992ish

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Jesus. Fucking. Wept.

    An internal border between Kent and the rest of the UK.

    #TakingBackControl

    I'm trying desperately not to get so wound up by this stuff anymore but... bloody hell. It's enough to make one gouge one's eyes out.
    @dribbles - put a positive spin on this for me, please.
    The ability to step up security and take back control of our borders in Kent against an increasingly aggressive foreign power is just common sense isn't it?

    Don't worry, Douanes won't be saying papers please to you at Dartford Tunnel.

    The English land bridge through Kent is critical for the EU to reach and control its Irish colony. Our ability to close that bridge down to any foreign traffic should we choose from January just as much so.
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  5. #25765
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    The ability to step up security and take back control of our borders in Kent against an increasingly aggressive foreign power is just common sense isn't it?

    Don't worry, Douanes won't be saying papers please to you at Dartford Tunnel.

    The English land bridge through Kent is critical for the EU to reach and control its Irish colony. Our ability to close that bridge down to any foreign traffic should we choose from January just as much so.
    I thought that british humour was supposed to be funny.

    This is a parody, right?

  6. #25766
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    I mean, it should be obvious that he was making a joke. But since you're so insistent about that, the QE only got "operational" like two months ago. I wouldn't brag too much about it, yet. It's first operational deployment is planned for 2021, so right now it's "operational" in/near its home port.
    They just build two large carriers and are doing shakedown cruises, it is by default a lot to brag about, IMHO. Only other countries doing that are USA and China (De Gaul is not exactly fresh anymore, so no France).
    Of course, there was a moment when all they had was a helicopter carrier, and there have been constant issues with budget cuts for new ships, but alas...
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  7. #25767
    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    I thought that british humour was supposed to be funny.

    This is a parody, right?
    Psst, I'm confused, is Kent no longer part of the UK? What is he on about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Psst, I'm confused, is Kent no longer part of the UK? What is he on about?
    Clearly, going back to how things were during the Heptarchy before the 10th century is now a brexiteer goal.

    Only way calling Westminster an increasingly aggressive foreign power makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Psst, I'm confused, is Kent no longer part of the UK? What is he on about?
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  10. #25770
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    But what is the purpose of this? Nobody asked for that. It has nothing to do with the negotiations or the EU. I am genuinely puzzled as to what he thinks he can accomplish with that.
    The best explanation I could see is:

    You need a special place for the customs-checking, and goods shouldn't be allowed to randomly that area. And they lack the personnel, which means that after some time (perhaps two days) the lorries will fill up the highway in Kent and thus that is part of the customs-checking queue area.

    However, as anyone should understand: that does not solve any problem.

    Lack of staff in a supermarket isn't solved by having a longer queue - unless it indirectly causes people to not use it. The only real solution is more staff.
    A queue is only useful to handle variations in demand.

    The second best is:
    They expect many truck drivers to not have papers in order, and thus they will pre-check that before entering this area.

    The benefit is that the pre-checkers need less training, the downside is that they will need to hire both pre-checkers and actual checkers - and there will be mistakes by the pre-checkers. Oh, and they still have the queue-problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    The best explanation I could see is:

    You need a special place for the customs-checking, and goods shouldn't be allowed to randomly that area. And they lack the personnel, which means that after some time (perhaps two days) the lorries will fill up the highway in Kent and thus that is part of the customs-checking queue area.

    However, as anyone should understand: that does not solve any problem.

    Lack of staff in a supermarket isn't solved by having a longer queue - unless it indirectly causes people to not use it. The only real solution is more staff.
    A queue is only useful to handle variations in demand.

    The second best is:
    They expect many truck drivers to not have papers in order, and thus they will pre-check that before entering this area.

    The benefit is that the pre-checkers need less training, the downside is that they will need to hire both pre-checkers and actual checkers - and there will be mistakes by the pre-checkers. Oh, and they still have the queue-problem.
    It is a self certified traffic light system, the haulier will apply for a permit for a certain date and if there is space on that day may be given the green light to enter Kent.
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  12. #25772
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    It is a self certified traffic light system, the haulier will apply for a permit for a certain date and if there is space on that day may be given the green light to enter Kent.
    Wow, Brexit really is doing a BRILLIANT job of getting rid of all that terrible EU red-tape, isn't it.

    Your precious Brexit is looking more stupid by the day, and the hoops you have to jump through each day to justify it are getting more and more hilarious. If it wasn't for the Brexit idiots breaking the fucking country, I'd be enjoying this.

    Kent having voted for Brexit being one of the first areas royally shafted by it does have a certain karmic quality.
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  13. #25773
    so kent checks - dover checks - calais checks = rip fresh produce and JIT

    not to mention french union strikes lmao.

    the tories just doing as much as they can to cause civil unrest.

  14. #25774
    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    The best explanation I could see is:

    You need a special place for the customs-checking, and goods shouldn't be allowed to randomly that area. And they lack the personnel, which means that after some time (perhaps two days) the lorries will fill up the highway in Kent and thus that is part of the customs-checking queue area.

    However, as anyone should understand: that does not solve any problem.

    Lack of staff in a supermarket isn't solved by having a longer queue - unless it indirectly causes people to not use it. The only real solution is more staff.
    A queue is only useful to handle variations in demand.

    The second best is:
    They expect many truck drivers to not have papers in order, and thus they will pre-check that before entering this area.

    The benefit is that the pre-checkers need less training, the downside is that they will need to hire both pre-checkers and actual checkers - and there will be mistakes by the pre-checkers. Oh, and they still have the queue-problem.
    And those pre-checks require an electronic system to be in place, a system that currently doesn't exist and that the UK is miles behind on implementing last I heard.

    Meanwhile the EU's similar system is already finished.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  15. #25775
    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    so kent checks - dover checks - calais checks = rip fresh produce and JIT

    not to mention french union strikes lmao.

    the tories just doing as much as they can to cause civil unrest.
    Just wait until the medical radioactive marker lobby starts bribing migrants in the Calais migrant camp to start riots along the highway and the UK can't do MRI's anymore to discipline the UK into being a sensible toddler again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Wow, Brexit really is doing a BRILLIANT job of getting rid of all that terrible EU red-tape, isn't it.

    Your precious Brexit is looking more stupid by the day, and the hoops you have to jump through each day to justify it are getting more and more hilarious. If it wasn't for the Brexit idiots breaking the fucking country, I'd be enjoying this.

    Kent having voted for Brexit being one of the first areas royally shafted by it does have a certain karmic quality.
    You say that as though Kent is an outlier in its vote for Brexit when the reality is the vast majority of counties did too.

    With Sir Keir's recent clarification and collective responsibility both the Labour (262 seats) and Tory party (317 seats) are officially pro brexit. That would be 579/650 seats in the UK parliament, or almost 90%, are now pro let's get Brexit done. Only a matter of time before the Lib Dems realise the error of their ways and convert too, if there are any of them left.

    You might not be enjoying this, the majority clearly are.
    13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"

  17. #25777
    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    = rip fresh produce
    I hear good things about porridge.

  18. #25778
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    You say that as though Kent is an outlier in its vote for Brexit when the reality is the vast majority of counties did too.

    With Sir Keir's recent clarification and collective responsibility both the Labour (262 seats) and Tory party (317 seats) are officially pro brexit. That would be 579/650 seats in the UK parliament, or almost 90%, are now pro let's get Brexit done. Only a matter of time before the Lib Dems realise the error of their ways and convert too, if there are any of them left.

    You might not be enjoying this, the majority clearly are.
    Are you still sitting there saying "we won, get over it"? Is that really all you have left. Fucking pathetic.

    Yes, you won. And now we are all seeing what your "win" looks like. So stop trying to be high and mighty about how you won and we lost, and start taking some fucking responsibility for the giant mess that has resulted.

    Talking of which, more details are coming out about your first trade "win" with Japan. Not got any comment about how it's basically what we would have had if we'd stayed in the EU, but worse? Yeh, that's what I thought.
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  19. #25779
    Imagine being that proud of being a failure...
    Not that failure is bad. If you learn from it, it can be quite positive.
    But being proud of failing and doubling down on it? Why? Sunken cost fallacy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Are you still sitting there saying "we won, get over it"? Is that really all you have left. Fucking pathetic.

    Yes, you won. And now we are all seeing what your "win" looks like. So stop trying to be high and mighty about how you won and we lost, and start taking some fucking responsibility for the giant mess that has resulted.

    Talking of which, more details are coming out about your first trade "win" with Japan. Not got any comment about how it's basically what we would have had if we'd stayed in the EU, but worse? Yeh, that's what I thought.
    Japan again? OK then...

    In 60 years the EU has never managed to negotiate a trade deal with the largest economy on the planet : the United States. It has no trade deal with the second-largest economy: China.

    In that same 60 years the EU has only just managed to do a deal (still not ratified) with the world’s third-largest economy: Japan. The United Kingdom Government managed this is in just eight months since leaving the EU (in name only) on 01 February 2020.


    https://www.facts4eu.org/news/2020_s..._britain_soars

    That's EU failure for you right there and justification for Brexit on its own.

    I bet you a tenner to a charity of your choice that the UK ratifies its deal with Japan before the EU does. Have those troublesome Walloons given their Permission to the EU/Japan deal yet? Nissan, that company that closed its Barcelona plant to invest in Sunderland, would like to know.
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