oh this i agree definetly you need both to function properly .
and technically you need 1,5-2g of protein per each kg of bodyweight daily in order to grow stronger so if if deprive body of it you are weaker then you could have been
and best source of fresh proteins is meat. not artificial supplements
and the diet you described is very good - cut as much carbs from grains as possible and eat combinations of meat/veggies/fruits.
i for example love to combine things like big juicy steak with a lot of broccoli , or big chicken breast with green beans for dinner no potatos and no rice there its very good for summer months when you dont feel as much hunger when its hot.
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I dunno, wherever it is you chose to go so as not to live in confinement. Actually now I read back it seems the choice you made was to do with your diet, not to live free in the wild. Nevermind.
Bacteria.We dont though. Otherwise vegetarians and vegans would be dying
Do you know where b12 comes from?
A looooot of people who eat meat don't have well balanced diets. I wouldn't really call it an unhealthy lifestyle to recognize where your nutrient deficiencies are and supplement them. Unless you think there's something wrong with taking vitamins in general...
Throughout most of human existence people didn't really get to choose what they ate. You had what was available in the vicinity of where you lived. The nice thing about first world living is that we can now choose a variety of different ways to meet our nutritional needs. Taking supplements is part of that.
No it’s not wrong. You just don’t understand. But interesting that you think you understand what vegan means more than a vegan does.
Also it 100% has been verified they can feel pain. That is just straight up ignorance or lying on your part.
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Yeah no. People of all diets take supplements your making an intellectually dishonest argument and your basing it on nothing but misinformation. B12 is the only supplement you need as a vegan but very often the livestock you guys eat also need B12 supplement as well.
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a lot of people take supplements because they are morons. here i said it opnely - feel free to hate me
in most cases its completly unnesesary and should be fixed by eating healthy .
unless you are spending obscene amount of time weekly doing sports (like 10 + hours ) you dont need any supplementation if you eat healthy .
to many people belive in pills which is magical solution for everything - especially when most of those pills dont work only are pure placebo.
i can give you my own example - of my current workout rutine.
in the morning monday - friday (5 times a week) i work out 40-50 minutes in gym . on tuesday / thursday and saturday evening i swim for 90+ minutes.
the only supplement i take is protein shake post workout. and just as a safety precaution due to rather big weights/intensive swimming i work out with to protect my muscles .
i feel better then ever and have perfect medical resoults (i do body checkout / blood tests every 6 months) dont have any witamin deficits.
supplements are way overrated.
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That's good and all but those people who found self-indulgence in veganism should stop ranting and pushing their beliefs onto general populace. If i'd a see a carnivore dietist telling people how they should only eat meat i will not hesitate to call him a moron, and i would do the same to a ranting vegan anytime as well
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it's not just b12 there are others... for instance protein can be difficult because while plants do have protein it is not in any way complete since 1. it isn't complete... 2. harder to break down for the body compared to animal protein.
The thing about saying "people who eat meat often don't have balanced diets" is misplaced. It is misplaced because vegans are hardcore dieting and as part of that are purposefully deficient. People who are hardcore dieters [I]and omnivores/I] though... are a different story.
I agree supplements are overrated but virtually no one is eating perfectly curated meals that give them everything they need.
There are numerous studies showing all the health issues with meat consumption that far far far outweigh having to take a single B12 pill every other day or so.
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It’s important to understand that a vegan diet is not a raw vegan diet. I eat virtually all the same things I used just the vegan versions. For example Beyond and Impossible burgers actually have more protein than beef burgers.
You should google vegan athletes. You’d be surprised.
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It’s not self indulgence, the opposite actually. You don’t go vegan because you dislike the flavor of meat and dairy.
It’s not about a diet, it’s about wanting to stop a truly horrific industry (factory farming).
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I can't believe people are still pulling out the "bUt WhErE dO yOu GeT pRoTeIn?" non-argument.
There is some evidence now that plants have there own distress and response mechanisms
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sci...-feel-pain.htm
There responses can be a range of things from releasing foul tasting chemicals when a cat pillar chews on them to making a smell when cut to attract helpful insects.
To me there is just no moral justification for eating one type of life over another just because its seen as "lesser"
But as we cannot our selves photosynthesise eating some form of life is nessesary.
All you can really do is make sure the veg you get is from sustainable sources from places where the habitat destruction is kept to a minimum so no soy from South americas slash and burn farms. And make sure your meat comes from free range, humane farms and was humanly slaughtered, so no kosher, no halal, no battery farms.
You can never be 100% but if you try to prefer those over the others and enough people do the market pressure might make things better.
Ants have social structure as well they are capable of building things humans can oy dream of ( relative to their size), they carry dead ants, they take dump into areas they don't live in... But I bet you killed at least 1000 ants so far but that number is probably much higher.
Those burgers have issues. Like being expensive... while they do have multiple different plant proteins that aim to act as a complete protein, them being a ready-made product that is highly processed will generally mean it will be more expensive than buying a pack of ground beef. Not to mention... more people have sensitivities to extremely high fibre diets. Not to mention the issue that high carb diets have for a lot of people.
That's not a meal... and that requires me to make some highly processed food... which most people do not have all that much time for.
Regardless I can't eat a diet like that, I have too many sensitivities.
The rice we have today is likely more available for human consumption than it was in the past.Bullshit, try to eat and chew on raw rice, corn, wheat... You will die from malnutrition long before you destroy your teeth which will take less than a year...
Fruits i don't get... they're just high sugar foods with limited nutrition, and to get any decent amount you'd have to eat far too much sugar.
I take it you have never had sushi or tartar. Cooking meat definitely makes it more bioavailable, but you can eat raw meats. What about Salami? Prosciutto?And its not like you can eat raw meat either?
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