Lorekeeper lore Q&A steve danuser

[HateTrain]

If your story isn't completely about time/reality travel, it's god damned suicide to introduce time/reality travel.

[Arrashi]

If your story isn't completely about time/reality travel, it's god damned suicide to introduce time/reality travel.

A lesson that will never be learned.

[Aucald]

If your story isn't completely about time/reality travel, it's god damned suicide to introduce time/reality travel.

Doubly sad in that they effectively closed the gaping plot hole of WoD with Chronicle Vol. 3, but now Danuser appears to have reopened them with his bizarre explanation of how AU incarnations are to work in Shadowlands. Not quite sure what they're thinking in this vein - it would be better to just say "AU characters don't go to the Shadowlands unless they somehow merge with the MU timeline, an event that very rarely occurs." I hope a reexplanation of this happens in the short-term, and they close the door on this before it gets entirely out of hand.

[Timester]

Again, this is not a thing, because Danouser himself said every other also matter, in the same amount

He havent said that all matter, just that they all are the same rope.

Which is just right into the Bronze Dragonflight and Chronicles lore.

[Syegfryed]

He havent said that all matter, just that they all are the same rope.

Which is just right into the Bronze Dragonflight and Chronicles lore.

he literally said everyone, even the MU ones, are just trends, and they end in the same rope, he never said we are the main trend, neither that we are the most important part of the rope, everyone is equal, regardless if longer or shorter.

[Josyel]

Doubly sad in that they effectively closed the gaping plot hole of WoD with Chronicle Vol. 3, but now Danuser appears to have reopened them with his bizarre explanation of how AU incarnations are to work in Shadowlands. Not quite sure what they're thinking in this vein - it would be better to just say "AU characters don't go to the Shadowlands unless they somehow merge with the MU timeline, an event that very rarely occurs." I hope a reexplanation of this happens in the short-term, and they close the door on this before it gets entirely out of hand.

Aucald could work at Blizzard answering awkward lore questions. I'd bite this one.

[Jastall]

Doubly sad in that they effectively closed the gaping plot hole of WoD with Chronicle Vol. 3, but now Danuser appears to have reopened them with his bizarre explanation of how AU incarnations are to work in Shadowlands. Not quite sure what they're thinking in this vein - it would be better to just say "AU characters don't go to the Shadowlands unless they somehow merge with the MU timeline, an event that very rarely occurs." I hope a reexplanation of this happens in the short-term, and they close the door on this before it gets entirely out of hand.

It's Danuser, he probably thinks his explanation was really clever or something.

They really should just kill the AU. It was Kairoz's mistake, the Bronzes salvaged what they could, it crashed, no longer exists, GG no re, don't think about it or ask questions about it again, there's only one actual universe, one version of characters, one imagery of the cosmos, because this lore's enough of a hot mess even without introducing alternate reality bullshit that doesn't actually serve the story or characters in any way.

[qwerty123456]

This whole confusion could have been solved by saying every universe has their own Shadowlands and demons have been a special case. Done.
Burning Legion is over. So demons are now tethered to the reality the last have been in which was mostly ours.

They could have just said something like the Twisting Nether not only connects worlds but realities(its just harder to traverse it to get to other universes or some crap) and the reason why there is only one of each demon is because they are linked to the Twisting Nether which bleeds into all realities.

Now we have
1. What happens to alternate souls? The merge together in SL. But how is Draka then our Thralls Draka? Not every Draka had a Thrall...
2. Why are memories in Bastion just ours?
3. How does the arbiter decide which soul goes where if the soul is composed of infinte possibilies?

IF they say the alternate timelines are nor real and so to say pocket dimensions only coming into existence if someone from our universe splinters the timeline... that still means there are at least more than one of nearly every orc and dranaei. If the alternate ones don't have full souls... what of our maghar orcs? Did they get souls when they moved into our universe? Do they stop existing the moment they die?

Why the hell did they not kepp it seperat? Alternate universe NEVER make sense. because the concept is way to difficult to handle with logic.
God damn... i hoped they never mention the alternate universes again. This will fuck up every point of lore from now on as aparantly every cosmic power is spanning across AUs...

Yeah like if Uther was a great guy in 99 realities and they all went to Bastion then in the last reality an Uther dies in he is a rapist cannibal does his soul suddenly get plucked out of Bastion and sent to Revendreth? I really hope someone gets Blizzard to elaborate more on this because its pretty retarded and confusing atm.

[Feanoro]

Aucald could work at Blizzard answering awkward lore questions.

As the interview demonstrates, he certainly could.

[Giannis-GR]

His answer was a train wreck. The rope is a very bad analogy. You had years to come up with something about AUs. And all you have is “rope, time not a concept of SL, all merge even if one did good stuff and the other committed atrocities”...

Best answer would be (based on chronicle): AUs are pocket dimensions whose souls’ cease to exist..

No BS “infinite Drakas merging into one but don’t worry about time because time not a concept” mambo jambo

[Timester]

he literally said everyone, even the MU ones, are just trends, and they end in the same rope, he never said we are the main trend, neither that we are the most important part of the rope, everyone is equal, regardless if longer or shorter.

He doesn't say neither true or false. I'm using the established lore.

[Soon-TM]

Damn, seems like the entire Warcraft multiverse is extremely volatile if one single mortal in one single timeline can basically eternally fuck everything up for everyone. Though this also raises the question... Why is our timeline the only timeline that is trying to go into the Shadowlands to fix all of this?

Honestly, I've never seen a dumber premise for a fantasy story.

Stories about alternate universes are quite difficult to pull off, especially when there is a constant interaction between them. That's why such premise usually ruins the story to no end, for what I've seen. Sure, there are a few exceptions, but those come from exceptionally gifted writers such as Ursula K. Le Guin or Isaac Asimov.

Now try comparing Danuser to either of them

[Lady Atia]

Stories about alternate universes are quite difficult to pull off, especially when there is a constant interaction between them. That's why such premise usually ruins the story to no end, for what I've seen. Sure, there are a few exceptions, but those come from exceptionally gifted writers such as Ursula K. Le Guin or Isaac Asimov.

Now try comparing Danuser to either of them

Dark over on Netflix managed it quite good.

[Aucald]

Alternate universes or continuities are something a setting needs to have taken into account when the setting is built, it's not generally something you want to tack on later - especially if you've not thought up a workable set of rules for how you're going to govern their function and interoperability in said setting. The same is true of settings that use or rely on time travel - you want a workable system in place that can handle at least the majority of paradoxes and continuity snarls that can pop up. One of WoW's main issues, and the greater Warcraft universe in general, is that the setting was never made with these ideas in place, they've all been added later on, embellishments on a more or less established setting that haven't always been handled so well. WoW now has both time travel and alternate universes at the same time, without any real rules for managing either - and the problems, well, they've become more and more apparent as the story grows more voluminous and dense.

[Houle]

If your story isn't completely about time/reality travel, it's god damned suicide to introduce time/reality travel.

a fact most storytellers seemingly fail to understand
95% of the time when time travel is introduced into a fantasy story, it gets confusing, messy and dumb

[HateTrain]

Alternate universes or continuities are something a setting needs to have taken into account when the setting is built, it's not generally something you want to tack on later - especially if you've not thought up a workable set of rules for how you're going to govern their function and interoperability in said setting. The same is true of settings that use or rely on time travel - you want a workable system in place that can handle at least the majority of paradoxes and continuity snarls that can pop up. One of WoW's main issues, and the greater Warcraft universe in general, is that the setting was never made with these ideas in place, they've all been added later on, embellishments on a more or less established setting that haven't always been handled so well. WoW now has both time travel and alternate universes at the same time, without any real rules for managing either - and the problems, well, they've become more and more apparent as the story grows more voluminous and dense.

a fact most storytellers seemingly fail to understand
95% of the time when time travel is introduced into a fantasy story, it gets confusing, messy and dumb

I wish this site had a like feature because I'd be pushing that button.

[faithbane]

So, when AU Draka dies she will just merge with the Draka that's in the Shadowlands which was MU Draka?

The world record for longest bullshit non-answer answer goes to whatever the hell that was..

[Aucald]

The world record for longest bullshit non-answer answer goes to whatever the hell that was..

Basically he's saying that in time (over veritable eons in the timeless eternity of Death), all those strands will eventually coalesce or combine into a composite entity that is greater than any of the individuals that combined into it. So eventually AU Draka will join the composite being of Draka in Death, as well any other strands of her that exist in the multiverse. It also opens the door that the Draka we encounter in Maldraxxus is not herself *just* MU Draka who died when Thrall was an infant, she could conceivably be the composite of a few different Drakas from other continuities.

[Edlarel]

Basically he's saying that in time (over veritable eons in the timeless eternity of Death), all those strands will eventually coalesce or combine into a composite entity that is greater than any of the individuals that combined into it. So eventually AU Draka will join the composite being of Draka in Death, as well any other strands of her that exist in the multiverse. It also opens the door that the Draka we encounter in Maldraxxus is not herself *just* MU Draka who died when Thrall was an infant, she could conceivably be the composite of a few different Drakas from other continuities.

And don't forget the true lesson taught by Draka here. Over an infinite amount of time, everybody eventually rerolls as rogue.

[Arrashi]

Basically he's saying that in time (over veritable eons in the timeless eternity of Death), all those strands will eventually coalesce or combine into a composite entity that is greater than any of the individuals that combined into it. So eventually AU Draka will join the composite being of Draka in Death, as well any other strands of her that exist in the multiverse. It also opens the door that the Draka we encounter in Maldraxxus is not herself *just* MU Draka who died when Thrall was an infant, she could conceivably be the composite of a few different Drakas from other continuities.

But if dying in SL makes you super dead, what would happen if living draka went to SL and killed SL draka? Would it cause Draka reset?