'Why did you schedule days off to play a video game? LOL'

[Baneto]

Dont we already have a thread about exactly this?

[ro9ue]

Other people are not you. Your experiences are not universal.

If more people understood those two simple sentences this world would be a much better place.

Solved by post #2.

[Tantaburs]

He's not wrong, though. I've never worked at a job that was better than minimum wage where you couldn't cancel time off and reuse it if you wanted to. And if you're working minimum wage, you probably don't have that much time off anyway.

See, now that's how you contribute to a thread. If more people understood that simple concept this forum would be a much better place.

If you work at basically any job that staffs to an forecasted demand level then your schedule needs to be worked out well in advance.

[Delekii]

In the discussion about the SL delay, something that I read and hear very often is "that sucks a lot for people who have taken time off" and things like that.
Why does this matter A MONTH before the release date? Just cancel your time off and book it again as soon as we knew the new release date.

I have worked in 5 different countries in europe, I had some very shitty jobs and some good ones and never ever was it a problem to just move your vacation (as long as the new date is not the school summer breaks). I have not even heard of people that had such an issue.

I can understand that when you work in a shop that is very inflexible with working hours that changing shifts like a week ago could be a problem, but a whole MONTH?

Bullshit.

If you can easily move your leave less than a month before you were to take it, you've never worked in a time sensitive job where you weren't replaceable.

[Accendor]

Bullshit.

If you can easily move your leave less than a month before you were to take it, you've never worked in a time sensitive job where you weren't replaceable.

First of all: Everybody is replaceable at work.

Second: You are INCREASING your availability for the next month! You are at work MORE, not LESS. You are not taking ADDITIONAL time off in the next month.

The opposite I could totally understand. If Blizzard would say "Hei, we are releasing a week early", THEN I can understand a company saying "sorry, thats too spontaneous, you can not have off in that week. You can still cancel your requested time off tho and take it later in the future".

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If you work at basically any job that staffs to an forecasted demand level then your schedule needs to be worked out well in advance.

What would such a job be for example? I am really trying to learn here, I honestly have no idea. I guess doctors / medics?

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Other people are not you. Your experiences are not universal.

If more people understood those two simple sentences this world would be a much better place.

Thats why I am asking - to learn.

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So, you worked a few jobs and now you think you know about every job on the planet?

No? What makes you think that? I literally opened a thread because I DID NOT KNOW SOMETHING and wanted to learn. I asked a question. I realize that some people (including) might have felt that I wanted to offend you or be purposefully ignorant. If that is the case, I would like to apologize. That was not my intention.

Before I started freelancing I was working in different jobs for 3 big german companies. And changing vacation plans only a few weeks prior was pretty much impossible. Especially if I would wanna change from the release date to lets say decembre would have been impossible, because those people who planned vacations over christmas/new years already blocked those days by then.

So yeah, THAT I can understand. Like if you wanted to take off in October but now for whatever reason Blizzard moved to lets say the 17th of December of something like that. I can see how that would be a problem. However, even in that case CANCELLING should not be a problem. You still could not take off on the NEW release day, and I see why that would suck, but that is not the issue here, at least from what I understood. From what I understood people are upset because they burned their vacation for nothing, but if you just cancel you still have your vacation.

Again, I understand that it might be hard or impossible to get time off at the NEW release date, but you still have your vacation days available for other dates.

[D Luniz]

DPK system for time off....thats got to be a pain

[faithbane]

My coworker takes days off to go to watch football matches, don't see how me doing that for my hobby is looked down upon 0o

I've seen idiots who memorized entire roosters in a sports league and even knows the names of everyone in management of the teams but they laugh if you know the lore or character names from your favorite series its stupid

[Niwes]

Been seeing this echoed across the official forums, MMOC, and Wowhead. Let me put some perspective to this one.

To start, I absolutely am okay with Blizzard choosing to delay Shadowlands, it was evident it was lacking some polish. Less straightforward is the reason for choosing October 1st, which some could argue shows they are still more focused on the Shareholder's than players. However, I am not here to give my opinion on either topic.

I am posting because I have seen a variation of the thread title posted throughout the internet in response to people rather upset they cannot get days they scheduled off back. My career changed drastically a year ago into a field I never thought I would be in. This field schedules days off a full year in advanced. You bid based off seniority amongst your coworkers. You can also take individual days in the middle of a year if you have the PTO saved for them and the day has not been bid on.

For Shadowlands I originally was quite lucky. The day after launch was a day off. However, I quickly went to bid on the following 3 days just to secure some extra time. I got one. I had to work hard to secure that day. I have the luxury of being in a position where my PTO is 14 hours granted per month that carries over per month.

People like me have no issue with this schedule change. I can go schedule more days off to relax and do what helps keep me less stressed when the new date is announced. Someone who is much less privileged would not be so lucky. For some people to even be granted a single day off, even in the Western World, is extremely rare. And to have to fight hard for that day and have them change it, in some peoples' opinions, at the last minute, really sours their mood.

TL;DR - Not everyone uses PTO for actual vacations. I use mine for errands and destressing. So instead of lambasting people for being upset they lost valuable time off work for the release, maybe, instead, you should focus looking at a bigger picture to their situation.

Thanks.

Since i also would not plan vacation (and never had) around a WoW release (and i play WoW since 15 years now), i have also no problems with delaying it for a higher quality release. but i can totally understand why other ppl do (planing vacation with WoW release).

But what i really do not get, is what your thread or opinion is about ??? it is like you saying „i do things this way, other ppl do it another way“. ok. cool. and now ???

do not get the sense of this thread.

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I've seen idiots who memorized entire roosters in a sports league and even knows the names of everyone in management of the teams but they laugh if you know the lore or character names from your favorite series its stupid

yeah. so true.

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I think you need to chill, you're taking this thread a bit too seriously

i think this is true for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of ppl playing WoW and/or being active in this forum

[Tantaburs]

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What would such a job be for example? I am really trying to learn here, I honestly have no idea. I guess doctors / medics?

From personal experience when I worked in a call centre vacations were planned at the start of the year. Same story for working in retail.

Medical fields are similar my mum is a nurse and needs to book time off well in advance to make sure everything is covered.

My dad was an accountant had more flexibility as long as there wasn't something that needed to be done on a certain day like a meeting or trip that had been scheduled already.

[MrKnubbles]

Most retail jobs don't allow time off requests during the holiday season. November and December are typically blackout dates.

[Mardux]

From personal experience when I worked in a call centre vacations were planned at the start of the year. Same story for working in retail.

Medical fields are similar my mum is a nurse and needs to book time off well in advance to make sure everything is covered.

My dad was an accountant had more flexibility as long as there wasn't something that needed to be done on a certain day like a meeting or trip that had been scheduled already.

If it had to be requested at the start of the year, then there is no issue. There was no release date when you had to request the pto, so you couldn't have requested it for SL's launch.

[Dakara]

Every Job is different. Some require you to give notice months in advance, even more so if your position is in management.
I get why people are annoyed. End of the day, there isn't anything anyone can do about it.
Not happy? Cancel your Shadowlands preorder and try a new game.
That is pretty much the limit of your recourse.

This.
16 pages, 300+ posts and some posters still can't grasp the simple concept that not every job functions the same as theirs.

Personally I don't book leave for WOW launches because in my job, we book an entire years leave at once... meaning if you want leave at the start of the period, it's a minimum 6 months in advance, or 18 months in advance if you're booking leave for the end of the Period.

Why is it done this way some of you might ask? Because of Scheduling. If we ran a "first come first serve" approach for leave, many of us would be sitting on huge leave balances due applications being declined during "prime" leave Periods... when the Company is at it's busiest.

So, we run a yearly Ballot, with a rotating Priority list. If you work Christmas on 2 consecutive years (as an example), you're guaranteed the 3rd off... vice versa, if you get 2 off in a row, you're definitely working the 3rd. One year you might be top priority and get all the leave you request, so the next year you rotate to the bottom. If you don't take your full leave allocation, you can apply to defer some but in most cases will have it assigned so bet take what's available.

Yes, we can apply for ad hoc leave (if we have some available) during with year, but that still requires 3 months notice to be approved by scheduling so they can ensure correct manpower levels before it goes to rostering.

Again, I don't request Leave for WOW, partly because I never know the release date during the Ballot, but I do put in for day off and work line requests (2 months in advance) so I can be ready for the first raid Tier.

Not everyone works 9-5 and gets to sleep in their own bed every night after a few hours of WOW levelling. WOW is a hobby, so while I don't use Leave entitlements for it, I don't want to miss the entire launch either because I got a bad roster.

[Delekii]

First of all: Everybody is replaceable at work.

Second: You are INCREASING your availability for the next month! You are at work MORE, not LESS. You are not taking ADDITIONAL time off in the next month.

The opposite I could totally understand. If Blizzard would say "Hei, we are releasing a week early", THEN I can understand a company saying "sorry, thats too spontaneous, you can not have off in that week. You can still cancel your requested time off tho and take it later in the future".

Everybody is replaceable at work. Not everybody is easily replaceable at work with a month's notice.

Similarly, the people with whom you have organised to be replaced have organised around that plan. The person who replaces me is now no longer filling their own role, and the person who is filling that role is now not filling their role.. and so on.

I didn't take time off work because I could see an incoming shitshow, but if I had, it would be a NIGHTMARE to try to roll it back now. My role is quite specialised, and the number of people who could fill it isn't that big a list. Any of them that I had asked to replace me would have in turn been replaced in their own roles already.

Rolling back leave isn't that simple for people who aren't a dime a dozen in their positions.

[shonist]

just childs that dont work all the year

[Archmage Xaxxas]

i was about to legit answer bc you have 7 years on the site. but this is clearly trolling.

Did you read the OP or just misread the title?

How are they trolling? They're in fact acknowledging trolling and speaking some reason to it.

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just childs that dont work all the year

Oh look you changed your quote, and now you're trollin. Odd dude. So odd.

[Frai85]

Some people have actually managed to get jobs outside of retail and food service who make schedules farther out than two weeks.

[barrsftw]

No problem at all with people taking time off for their favorite hobby. Anyone who talks down to them for it are assholes. That said, with the nature of the industry every single person who took time off knew it came with at least some risk. Whether that be release delays, sever instability, DDOS attacks, buggy content, etc. So to the people complaining about how they don't get their days off back, yeah it sucks, but you knew the risks.

[Tantaburs]

If it had to be requested at the start of the year, then there is no issue. There was no release date when you had to request the pto, so you couldn't have requested it for SL's launch.

Basically the way it works is this. There are a set number of vacation hours/day let's day 32 to make math simple.

This means that 4 people can take each day off. You put in your schedule for the year in January and then are given your days based on seniority. If you need to change them later you can if there are hours free or if you can trade with people.

It's possible to rearrange dates in the middle of the year but not as easy as just saying do it. It's decently possible you won't be able too.

[cuafpr]

still funny people think all PTO is done the same.. when I was in the USAF the rule of thumb was 6 months, holidays were 1 year out. We had a hard rule of no more than 3 commanders / 3 deputy commanders out a time. It was so strict a couple that didn't schedule their PTO for their wedding till a month out got denied for it cause they were beyond those limits.

civvy jobs have been more flexible for me but still, you have to ensure coverage. Currently, my manager is ok with short notice long as I'm on staycation and can log in if shit hits the fan.

For those having issues work wtih you your boss and HR and see what can be done hopefully it works out

[shonist]

Did you read the OP or just misread the title?

How are they trolling? They're in fact acknowledging trolling and speaking some reason to it.

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Oh look you changed your quote, and now you're trollin. Odd dude. So odd.

lol sorry i made instant-edit bc i was confused about the post i was repplying to.

i took time off work for Slands and i got fckd. i could move them to 16th nov. so lets hope