Where's Silgryn??? He should marry poor Liadrin.

[Dastreus]

They only helped the war effort straight after and never once condemned it...

This

By joining the Horde, and swearing fealty to their warchief, they signed up to accept blame for the actions of the Horde.

Basically, Thalyssra hopes that Suramar would bring peace to the world in quest text in Legion, and then promptly pledged herself and her people to the faction of literal genocidal warmongers.

aaaand this. Yep. I got emotionally invested in their struggle. Helped them on multiple character. Then they join the faction literally preparing to war against my faction. Never forgive.

[cparle87]

Off the top of my head, I believe he was a reoccurring role in the war campaign, he helped recruit the Mag'har orcs, and he has a few quests in Nazjatar along with saving the PC from falling to their death basically off a waterfall.

Granted, he wasn't a Nathanos of course, but he certainly wasn't forgotten at least. Glad they didn't, because he's probably one of my favorite characters to come from Legion.

Agreed. I remember the questline where we recruit him. We walk into his trap and he's all like "idenfity yourself now or you won't like what I'll do" and I deliberately let the timer tick with "Whachu think you can do to ME!?" attitude. Cue finding myself at the bottom of the ocean. It took a long time to get back.

[Steelangel]

that you can't just throw out of window for the enemy(yes, enemy, since the hero was acting neutral all Legion.

Did you not pay any attention to the Alliance forces at the gates of Suramar? When it comes down to it, Thalyssra chose the Horde because she had the goo-goos for Lor'Themar and Tyrande wasn't particularly deferent to the high and mighty First Arcanist.

It's a story about self-centered pettiness and short-sighted stupidity; and truth be told, I'm glad the Horde got more of that on their side.

[Syegfryed]

Did you not pay any attention to the Alliance forces at the gates of Suramar? When it comes down to it, Thalyssra chose the Horde because she had the goo-goos for Lor'Themar and Tyrande wasn't particularly deferent to the high and mighty First Arcanist.

there is a difference here, the hero who help the nightborne was acting neutral, all the shit done until the uprising was him alone.

Later, the elves came to help, the horde ones were actually sympathetic about then, the NE were not, they helped more as obligation, they could have expanded and made things more solid/tangible, but its blizzard pattern these days, doing half-asset things, be used to it

It's a story about self-centered pettiness and short-sighted stupidity; and truth be told, I'm glad the Horde got more of that on their side.

Its a story about elves doing elf things, again, don't pretend they are any different from other elves, and don't think their attitude is so nonsensical.

[Jester Joe]

Agreed. I remember the questline where we recruit him. We walk into his trap and he's all like "idenfity yourself now or you won't like what I'll do" and I deliberately let the timer tick with "Whachu think you can do to ME!?" attitude. Cue finding myself at the bottom of the ocean. It took a long time to get back.

Wait, really? Oh that's amazing, I had no idea that happened, I should have done it myself lol

[cparle87]

Wait, really? Oh that's amazing, I had no idea that happened, I should have done it myself lol

Yeah, he'll teleport you to the bottom of the sea around here.

https://imgur.com/a/CTSY249

[Gestopft]

I definitely read the thread title as "Sigryn" and had very different thoughts.

Oops.

[Kallisto]

Did you not pay any attention to the Alliance forces at the gates of Suramar? When it comes down to it, Thalyssra chose the Horde because she had the goo-goos for Lor'Themar and Tyrande wasn't particularly deferent to the high and mighty First Arcanist.

It's a story about self-centered pettiness and short-sighted stupidity; and truth be told, I'm glad the Horde got more of that on their side.

Did you pay attention to the story of Surama at all? Firstly even when neutral at the time Tyrande basically called Thalysra the next elf Stalin. Then basically tells the Alliance player to make sure nightborbe get weapons for suicide attacks just so night elves won't be killed.

Meanwhile horde side Liadrin for the same quest tells the player to arm the nightborne so they will fight when the Horde lines up along side them. Treated Thalysra and other nightborne with actual respect. Then stayed behind to help with rebuilding.

[Ardenaso]

You can't condemn Thalyssra for not having the ability to look into the future.

When the Nightborne joined the Horde, it was on the heels of the defeat of the Legion, Azerite had only just begun to be discovered in Silithus.

Sylvanas' mission in Stormheim was a secret one, only one other person canonicly knows of it (Assuming that Nathanos didn't know), and it can be assured that the player character didn't blab (Allied Races doing these questlines are non-canon).

The Stromgarde slaughter is a bit more dicey, it's not said for certain how much the Horde knows of what Sylvanas did there. If they did know, then I doubt that the Nightborne approve, if they don't know, then that's not on them regardless.

As for the Burning of Teldrassil, it was mentioned above that the Nightborne didn't participate in the campaign, and even if they did, the original plan was just to kill Malfurion, that was what everyone was going for. The burning of the Tree was a last minute change, and done before anyone else could stop it. The only two leaders present at the order was Saurfang and Sylvanas (Nathanos isn't a leader).

One thing to remember, is that the Horde's Blood Oath is swearing fealty until death. There's never been an instance of a Race just walking out on the Horde. They either rebel, or get kicked out, or both. The Nightborne might have misgivings at a certain point (likely after the burning), but it's not like they can just go back to neutrality, or go to the Alliance, whom likely wouldn't want anything to do with the Horde at that moment.

And yes, I'm aware that there was an instance of the Sin'dorei being in talks to join the Alliance, there was intent, but the intent wasn't followed through, so we'll never really know the consequences of that, if it were to happen.

Oathbreakers are generally hunted down. And the Nightborne didn't want to reward the Sin'dorei and the rest of the Horde with treachery in thanks for not only helping them with Elisandre, but also inviting them into the Horde proper. For better or for worse, they stuck with the Horde.

And they're better for it.

pretty much this, they probably didn't even know about Sylvanas' true colors until the end

[gcsmith]

You can't condemn Thalyssra for not having the ability to look into the future.

When the Nightborne joined the Horde, it was on the heels of the defeat of the Legion, Azerite had only just begun to be discovered in Silithus.

Sylvanas' mission in Stormheim was a secret one, only one other person canonicly knows of it (Assuming that Nathanos didn't know), and it can be assured that the player character didn't blab (Allied Races doing these questlines are non-canon).

The Stromgarde slaughter is a bit more dicey, it's not said for certain how much the Horde knows of what Sylvanas did there. If they did know, then I doubt that the Nightborne approve, if they don't know, then that's not on them regardless.

As for the Burning of Teldrassil, it was mentioned above that the Nightborne didn't participate in the campaign, and even if they did, the original plan was just to kill Malfurion, that was what everyone was going for. The burning of the Tree was a last minute change, and done before anyone else could stop it. The only two leaders present at the order was Saurfang and Sylvanas (Nathanos isn't a leader).

One thing to remember, is that the Horde's Blood Oath is swearing fealty until death. There's never been an instance of a Race just walking out on the Horde. They either rebel, or get kicked out, or both. The Nightborne might have misgivings at a certain point (likely after the burning), but it's not like they can just go back to neutrality, or go to the Alliance, whom likely wouldn't want anything to do with the Horde at that moment.

And yes, I'm aware that there was an instance of the Sin'dorei being in talks to join the Alliance, there was intent, but the intent wasn't followed through, so we'll never really know the consequences of that, if it were to happen.

Oathbreakers are generally hunted down. And the Nightborne didn't want to reward the Sin'dorei and the rest of the Horde with treachery in thanks for not only helping them with Elisandre, but also inviting them into the Horde proper. For better or for worse, they stuck with the Horde.

And they're better for it.

Ahh, so it's ok if they're only going to kill a druid, who is not only likely well known to them all, but has been pretty neutral for all of wow's history?

[Tanaria]

Ahh, so it's ok if they're only going to kill a druid, who is not only likely well known to them all, but has been pretty neutral for all of wow's history?

Point to the part where Thalyssra and the Nightborne, teleported into Darkshore, with the aim to claim Darnassus? I mean, I might not have seen them, but I could have sworn Suramar never sent the Duskwatch to help with that war.

Plus, who is Malfurion to Thalyssra anyway? When the shield went up, he was nothing more than an Apprentice Druid so he wasn't anything to her. Illidan might have been something to her, due to the fact he was born with golden eyes, but Malfurion - he was just somebody. Same as Tyrande. She wasn't "High Priestess" when she lived in Suramar. She was only made "High Priestess" when Dejahna was killed and that was way into the WoTA, when Tyrande had already left Suramar.

[gcsmith]

Point to the part where Thalyssra and the Nightborne, teleported into Darkshore, with the aim to claim Darnassus? I mean, I might not have seen them, but I could have sworn Suramar actually sent no lore armies to help.

Plus, who is Malfurion to Thalyssra anyway? When the shield went up, he was nothing more than an Apprentice Druid so he wasn't anything to her. Illidan might have been something to her, due to the fact he was born with golden eyes, but Malfurion - he was just somebody. Same as Tyrande. She wasn't "High Priestess" when she lived in Suramar. She was only made "High Priestess" when Dejahna was killed and that was way into the WoTA, when Tyrande had already left Suramar.

I mean, Tyrande was someone who helped liberate her city from the Legion, but that's a minor detail I guess.

[Tanaria]

I mean, Tyrande was someone who helped liberate her city from the Legion, but that's a minor detail I guess.

Yes, Tyrande did and so did Liadrin.
Tyrande left Suramar after that, Liadrin and Lor'themar maintained contact between Silvermoon and Suramar.

And Vereesa Windrunner - well that half-brain didn't even know why she was there. She was just shouting at Rommath and being a general nuisance.

[enigma77]

Who's Silgryn and why should she marry Liadrin?

[Aucald]

Wait, really? Oh that's amazing, I had no idea that happened, I should have done it myself lol

I think Oculeth is probably the primary NPC in the Warcraft universe I absolutely would not mess with - not unless I wanted to be force-teleported into low orbit around Azeroth, to the bottom of the sea, or deep into the caldera of a volcano somewhere. I worry for the day that Oculeth stops being a doddering and kindly inventor and actually gets truly pissed at something or someone.

[Powerogue]

Their only interaction was that breadcrumb hinting that they'd become a future allied race. And we already have a nightborne/blood elf relationship, don't get greedy. :P

[Ardenaso]

She was just shouting at Rommath and being a general nuisance.

she tried to kill him :P until Khadgar had to stop her

[Tanaria]

she tried to kill him :P until Khadgar had to stop her

So why was she there again? Just to cause trouble for the Blood Elves? Did she forget that the Legion was invading and that she worked with the blood elf farstriders to recover Thas'dorah?

Honestly, "half-brain" is putting it mildly.