Covenants won‘t be working outside Shadowlands

[Recovery]

lmao why would abilities that are gifted to you from covenants in the Shadowlands work outside Shadowlands? Come on, I'm always up to bash on blizzard but this is pointless

why would the helm of domination work outside of the shadowlands? Why would frostmourne work? Why would Phylacteries work?

Why would any kind of necromancy work at all?

This.. is... STUPID.

[Nyel]

The delay is rlly paying off hum?

Delay would pay off if they'd started listening. Yet here we are and they are fixing problems they fabricated themselves and wouldn't be problems at all if they'd follow their very own game design.

Their last actions regarding beta "balancing" are mind-numbing and the community reaction is overwhelmingly negative.

[Razorice]

Becouse that class would not be usable?

But what about the "RPG" elements then? You can't have it one way, but not the other.

Azerite isn't from a different timeline. Azerite always always existed in all timelines where Azeroth existed. Azerite is essentially Azeroth's blood. The only difference between the two is that it is popping up in veins and pools in our current timeline.

Okay. Thank you for the explanation.
I still think using Azerite Essences on Draenor makes little if no sense.

[Dystemper]

This just confirmed me fears that SL is a massive cluster fuck of epic proportions

[Toybox]

Delay would pay off if they'd started listening. Yet here we are and they are fixing problems they fabricated themselves and wouldn't be problems at all if they'd follow their very own game design.

Their last actions regarding beta "balancing" are mind-numbing and the community reaction is overwhelmingly negative.

If you're on about the legendary tuning, they've already acknowledged they need to make them more powerful. The legendary changes in yesterdays update were likely already commited to that build days prior, & bringing everything down to an even level makes it easier to figure out how to buff them individually.

I was really worried about the leggos until the post came up saying they're looking to make them more impactful. Now, I'm just curious to see how they fix it.

[Elias01]

But what about the "RPG" elements then? You can't have it one way, but not the other.

Yes you can. You absolutly can. As game developer you have to know when you can desing game around rpg and where you have to cut for sake of gameplay.

[Nyel]

If you're on about the legendary tuning, they've already acknowledged they need to make them more powerful. The legendary changes in yesterdays update were likely already commited to that build days prior, & bringing everything down to an even level makes it easier to figure out how to buff them individually.

I was really worried about the leggos until the post came up saying they're looking to make them more impactful. Now, I'm just curious to see how they fix it.

It's about the Covenant, Conduit and yes, Legendary changes. And I don't see how you're making Legendaries stronger by nerfing them, which they did with a lot of Legendaries in the last build yesterday. Their reasoning is just off because we know how it'll end: making weak Legendaries stronger by nerfing the strong ones. And this is exactly what they did.

[Benitora]

why would the helm of domination work outside of the shadowlands? Why would frostmourne work? Why would Phylacteries work?

They are magical artifacts that have their powers internally, rather than having to channel it from a external source..And the Maw may have ways to influence the living world more directly than the other planes of death. Phylacteries is not specific to the Shadowlands, as it's mostly about linking your soul to a object.
I'm taking a guess here, but I think you may be able to use the powers outside of the Shadowlands once the place isn't running out of the juice that keep things running.

Why would any kind of necromancy work at all?

As is the case for a Warlock being able to summon the power of Fel and demons from the demonic planes, there is no reason why a Necromancer can't do the same.

This.. is... STUPID.

No, this is Warcraft.

[Toybox]

It's about the Covenant, Conduit and yes, Legendary changes. And I don't see how you're making Legendaries stronger by nerfing them, which they did with a lot of Legendaries in the last build yesterday. Their reasoning is just off because we know how it'll end: making weak Legendaries stronger by nerfing the strong ones. And this is exactly what they did.

Conduits are so minor that I don't really get the concern there (besides, we'll all be on even footing anyway). Covenant abilities were always going to be squished as there's no other way to balance them, so I'm not surprised/bothered by it at all.

I think you might've misunderstood my point on legendaries, though. They probably commited those changes to the build, had a discussion afterwards saying they need to be stronger, but it was too late to withdraw the changes. I fully expect (well, hope) some of the legendaries that were nerfed yesterday will be buffed to equal/higher levels than they were previously.

[Recovery]

It's about the Covenant, Conduit and yes, Legendary changes. And I don't see how you're making Legendaries stronger by nerfing them, which they did with a lot of Legendaries in the last build yesterday. Their reasoning is just off because we know how it'll end: making weak Legendaries stronger by nerfing the strong ones. And this is exactly what they did.

Welfare legendaries are stupid anyway. I never agreed with legendaries just being passed out. All they way back to the original cloak and ring. STUPID.

Just give our characters power and let us play them.

[Razorice]

Yes you can. You absolutly can. As game developer you have to know when you can desing game around rpg and where you have to cut for sake of gameplay.

There we go, so allow covenants to interact with Azeroth.

[Recovery]

Conduits are so minor that I don't really get the concern there (besides, we'll all be on even footing anyway). Covenant abilities were always going to be squished as there's no other way to balance them, so I'm not surprised/bothered by it at all.

I think you might've misunderstood my point on legendaries, though. They probably commited those changes to the build, had a discussion afterwards saying they need to be stronger, but it was too late to withdraw the changes. I fully expect (well, hope) some of the legendaries that were nerfed yesterday will be buffed to equal/higher levels than they were previously.

IM honestly just waiting for the day where blizzard decides to make borrowed power abilities hit for % damage.. Easy to balance. This ability hits for 3% of targets total HP pool. Easy. Done. Wrap.

[Darknessvamp]

Posted this over on the main article but lorewise this doesn't make sense either, the player character uses their own soul and anima to power and use their Covenant abilities so it doesn't make sense that they would lose the use of them outside the Shadowlands considering they still have both. Heck even Soulbinds and Conduits still work outside the Shadowlands and they are granted in the same fashion as the Covenant Abilities are, via a pact, ritual or oath with members of the Covenant.

Personally I think it's being limited now in order to be an "unlock" in a future patch.

[Elias01]

There we go, so allow covenants to interact with Azeroth.

Why? It doesnt have any big impact on gameplay if you restrict them for sake of RPG lol. You migh lose some of the ms when soloing old content but thats it nothing major.

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IM honestly just waiting for the day where blizzard decides to make borrowed power abilities hit for % damage.. Easy to balance. This ability hits for 3% of targets total HP pool. Easy. Done. Wrap.

And how exactly would you tune it for pve lol? You know so bosses wont die in 5 seconds?

[Toybox]

IM honestly just waiting for the day where blizzard decides to make borrowed power abilities hit for % damage.. Easy to balance. This ability hits for 3% of targets total HP pool. Easy. Done. Wrap.

Or just put the effort in to design things on a spec to spec basis like they did in Legion. Having stuff like Torghast be class-wide & having to balance soulbinds for 36 specs just makes it impossible.

[Razorice]

Why? It doesnt have any big impact on gameplay if you restrict them for sake of RPG lol. You migh lose some of the ms when soloing old content but thats it nothing major.

That's not the point.
The point is, adding a useless restriction for the sake of "muh RPG" will add inconvenience to the gameplay.
Also, many other people pointed out: You can use it in Alterac Valley BG but you cannot use it in the zone? yeah... "muh RPG"

[Mosha]

Dude, it works on Alterac bg, etc, but doesnt work in Alterac zone. Thats totally dumb lorewise and gameplay wise.

Out of all the things that are dumb lore wise this is the least dumb thing.

[Recovery]

Why? It doesnt have any big impact on gameplay if you restrict them for sake of RPG lol. You migh lose some of the ms when soloing old content but thats it nothing major.

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And how exactly would you tune it for pve lol? You know so bosses wont die in 5 seconds?

.03% in pve. lol

[Deulon]

Blizzard getting a jump start on 10.0 when they disable these borrowed power systems to make room for the next.

[Jastall]

No they never said that.

Look at the fourth question asked. They say so in context of the armor she wears, but for players Covenants are a system where powers and cosmetics are linked and they single out Sylvanas as part of a Maw Covenant while we know the Jailer also gave her a power boost.

What's your source for Sylvanas's empowerment being so different from player's anyway?