The Boys

[Karlz0rz]

Am I the only one who thought the beatdown had one eye on Endgame, saying "this is how you do the whole female empowerment thing"?

Like with Endgame, I won't lie, I cringed a little. It was awesome, but cringy, well meaning but I kind of felt that it was patting the female audience on the head a little. This though, I was like "fuck yes!", it felt much more organic.

It makes sense though, from the shows perspective. Only the girls are supes, the boys are just that, boys. They used guns prior to this, and nothing happened :P.
I agree though, that scene in End Game had me cringe so hard I actually covered my face with my hand in real life ^^.

[eschatological]

Am I the only one who thought the beatdown had one eye on Endgame, saying "this is how you do the whole female empowerment thing"?

Like with Endgame, I won't lie, I cringed a little. It was awesome, but cringy, well meaning but I kind of felt that it was patting the female audience on the head a little. This though, I was like "fuck yes!", it felt much more organic.

I think there was a definite sly wink at Endgame there. Frenchie even said something about it, iirc. "Girls do get it done," which is a reference earlier in the season to the all-female movie the Seven were doing with Stormfront, but I think kind of a nod to what Endgame was trying to do in their final battle.

[Crillam]

Have you finished the comic?

What does that have to do with anything? In the comics Black Noir is a Homelander clone. In season 2 they clearly showed that's not the case in this universe.

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Butcher is very ruthless. In his mind, the ends do justify the means.

True, there is a chance in the end of s3 or somewhere in s4 we will see them do that. Just like in the comics. But also what makes the show so good is that atm is because they don't have any powers. They have to come up with other things to beat the supes, outsmart them.

[Ivanstone]

I think there was a definite sly wink at Endgame there. Frenchie even said something about it, iirc. "Girls do get it done," which is a reference earlier in the season to the all-female movie the Seven were doing with Stormfront, but I think kind of a nod to what Endgame was trying to do in their final battle.

There's a sly wink but it really isn't about Endgame.

[everydaygamer]

That moment from Endgame was honestly cringey AF that completely took me out of an otherwise perfect movie. Just reminds me there's probably an annoying PR team at Marvel set to pander their asses to each demo just like Vought.

I always thought the scene was pretty awesome. Was it earned? No, but it was also the only time we were ever gonna have all these characters on screen at the same time so I don't mind that they went for it.

[Logwyn]

True (though I think I stopped paying attention to other weaknesses that were revealed after Kryptonite). And for finding the box with Translucent's remains, they definitely needed The Deep. Also I guess A-Train IS faster than Homelander.

Always interesting that the Homelander weakness was only used after 16 episodes

Probably if they did it earlier then everyone watching would be like just run around with high pitched whiney speakers.

[Dundebuns]

Really wasn’t a fan of how it ended not sure what I would have wanted to have happened but not that.

Also how stormfront died was stupid.
she got her arms legs and one half of her face blown off yet butcher who was right behind her was fine and his wife only had some nonsense bleeding on her neck. Hell even the half of her face that was blown off was the half facing away from the kid so it makes no sense for her to have those injury’s but for billy to butcher and his wife to be un burnt.

Do we actually know if she's dead though? Homelander said she is 'contained'. She is pretty hardy, able to take Homelanders eyebeams so she might have some powers that will allow her to live on in some manner. I guess we'll need to wait and see/

[idnn]

ryan is Son Gohan.

Overprotective Mother. studying a lot. no Power when trying. Gets super fucking powerful when someone hurts his Mother

Yep. Thats a Gohan

[Egomaniac]

I haven't read the comics but after the airplane scene in season 1, I genuinely thought he was going to snap at some point and go full on crazy...it just seems so believable for him.

And he very likely will at some point...but they won't have that happen for at least another season. Next season will probably be all about the new dynamic the 7 are going to have. Maeve and Starlight on one side, Homelander on the other, A-Train on his own, Black Noir currently in a coma, and presumably new members being brought in to replace Stormfront and The Deep. The loss of control over "his team" will doubtlessly bring Homelander even closer to the edge. "The Boys" themselves will probably have a more general mandate of keeping tabs on Supers in general rather than just Butcher's personal Vendetta against Homelander specifically.

[Fencers]

Stormfront is hilarious so far. This woman is cracking me up.

[Mister K]

Am I the only one who thought the beatdown had one eye on Endgame, saying "this is how you do the whole female empowerment thing"?

Like with Endgame, I won't lie, I cringed a little. It was awesome, but cringy, well meaning but I kind of felt that it was patting the female audience on the head a little. This though, I was like "fuck yes!", it felt much more organic.

What wrong with it? (outside of Cpt Marvel being OP anyway so technically she wouldn't need help). Marvel in general is bunch of Disney PG13 meme so why not include all female power which logically makes sense anyway. A group of powered people who probably relate to each other. I know that girls in my office or group of girl mates will stick together. Its not a far fetched concept. After second watch through of Endgame I didn't see it cringy at all. More importantly, it does what Marvel in its roots indented their comics to be, to inspire, to unite and get with the times. I think I heard Stan Lee talk about the reasoning behind many of the supes being originally created.

The Boys version was much better executed though.

inb4 being labelled as some wig out feminist lol...

[Volatilis]

What wrong with it? (outside of Cpt Marvel being OP anyway so technically she wouldn't need help). Marvel in general is bunch of Disney PG13 meme so why not include all female power which logically makes sense anyway. A group of powered people who probably relate to each other. I know that girls in my office or group of girl mates will stick together. Its not a far fetched concept. After second watch through of Endgame I didn't see it cringy at all. More importantly, it does what Marvel in its roots indented their comics to be, to inspire, to unite and get with the times. I think I heard Stan Lee talk about the reasoning behind many of the supes being originally created.

The Boys version was much better executed though.

inb4 being labelled as some wig out feminist lol...

Its ok, we are all feminists. We all have mothers. You dont hate your mother do you?

[Mister K]

Its ok, we are all feminists. We all have mothers. You dont hate your mother do you?

Maybe I do, maybe I don't. You got a point there with that?

[Logwyn]

Also could be something like "Hey...how about we try this?" - They did a good job with that trying to figure out Translucent's weakness.

I admit I was a bit confused there why it only affected Homelander (and Ryan). Guess I just forget about the moments when it was revealed he had super-hearing and didn't make the connection that they used a device that worked in that specific range.

Another thing that I love about great shows....drop hints that make you figure it out for yourself and don't shove it in your face

Yeah. I did not think I'd like The Boys at all until I gave it a try and I'm glad that I did.

[Ivanstone]

What wrong with it? [I](outside of Cpt Marvel being OP anyway so technically she wouldn't need help).

Captain Marvel, like Superman, is very limited in her capabilities and it can never hurt to have friends. Let's see if Homelander can learn the same. So far he at least sees at as vehicle to gain the adoration of others. Lets see if Homelander is redeemable? The real villain is corporate malfeasance and Homelander is just as much a victim of it as others. Having superpowers isn't helping him so far.

As for Endgame? Srsly. The scene lasted 5 seconds and the only reason I even remember it is because of cringy incels on gaming forums keep whining about it.

[Very Tired]

My thoughts on the finale.
Nice little detail going back to view the congress scene, you can see AoC staring at everyone whose head was popped. Even as she was being escorted from the room, she stayed behind to look at people. Guess she's what the CIA director meant by a coup from the inside. Not sure how giving a guy's description let her piece the puzzle together though.

Also I get the beat down scene was a bit fan servicey, kicking a Nazi and all that, but it was kind of lame on the count that it just looked like a normal fight, not three supes with super strength doing some crazy stuff.

This entire series they've shown what great lengths normal people have to go through to even hurt a supe, but a woman with a knife is apparently enough to take out the eye of Stormfront. The boys should really be investing in more dagger-to-eye weaponry now.

[Jotaux]

What does that have to do with anything? In the comics Black Noir is a Homelander clone. In season 2 they clearly showed that's not the case in this universe.

Read what I quoted, has nothing to do with black noir. Butcher is far more anti supe in the comic.

[tehealadin]

As for Endgame? Srsly. The scene lasted 5 seconds and the only reason I even remember it is because of cringy incels on gaming forums keep whining about it.

You are trying too hard. I don't want to derail anything, but you really are trying too hard. Noticing a probable nod does not make someone an incel, and just because you don't think there was a nod does not mean that there wasn't, nor does it make the suggestion therefore insane, instead of going for "I don't see it" (which tbh I think you are being disingenuous) you jump straight to "didn't happen, incels", and seem to be reading waaay too much into it and the motivations of anyone who does see a nod. Chill, no one is saying anything bad about women, no one here has said anything bad about the superheroes in that scene from Endgame, or is theorising about any feminist conspiracies to keep men down. Not yet at least, no need for white knight antics to defend, well basically no one at this point, from a non existent threat that seems to exist mainly in your mind.

It is literally people noticing a possible nod to the biggest movie of all time, to a scene that imo was still kick ass, but still had cringe factor, in that it felt forced, a contrived way to say "girl power", in a film that had some really kick ass female heroes anyway, and I personally thought it was a little patronising to women the way it was pulled off (they all manage to gather at one place in this huge battle field in time for a power pose, ok sure), and that in The Boys, sure it is taken from the comics, but with the gender swapping it isn't a massive stretch to think of Endgame, which as many have said here felt forced (which seriously isn't an anti woman comment, anyone who thinks being critical of a scene with mostly women must hate women is really trying too hard), and that in The Boys it was much more natural, firstly how the characters coalesced in the area, then the sheer visceral nature of the beating, it didn't feel anywhere near as contrived as Endgame and given the way that the show picks fun out of the genre, it isn't a huge leap to think that they are aware of Endgame and secondly have it in them to take a swipe. I shouldn't need to explain that, it should be obvious, fair enough if you don't share that assessment but you went straight to a posture of assuming the worst motivations and attacking people as a result of this head cannon of yours.

I won't say anything else on the matter, sorry mods, don't want to derail, but I thought that was a disingenuous, needlessly snarky post.

[PACOX]

Am I the only one who thought the beatdown had one eye on Endgame, saying "this is how you do the whole female empowerment thing"?

Like with Endgame, I won't lie, I cringed a little. It was awesome, but cringy, well meaning but I kind of felt that it was patting the female audience on the head a little. This though, I was like "fuck yes!", it felt much more organic.

I don't think they could care less about Endgame. It's just a shared theme that they were able to present more naturally where Endgame was full of fan service shot, not just the one with all the ladies in it.

The whole show is about breaking the campy realm that superhero movies exists in.

Also the show has its own subplot of pop culture female empowerment vs real female empowerment - Maeve's and Starlight's entire media personas basically cut with how they are when they aren't doing publicity gigs for Vought. So really the show is examining real life in general. Remember 'Girls get it done' was a tagline from when Vought made her to to a "sexual assault surviving sec symbol" then doubled down on it in their money. If anything was a jab at Endgame it was the movie they were shooting.

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Thought it was less cringy than the endgame one. But I still think it could've been done better. I think the issue for me is the 3v1 which feels a little dishonorable. I would've preferred Maeve to lay the smack down alone, or at least not 3 people kicking into someone on the floor.

Youre looking for honor in this show? Especially when they were facing an immoral that could fire any of them in a 1v1?

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We don't really. Homelander could be lying.That means there are two supes in unknown state: Stormfront and BlackNoir. But in the comics - not sure if it was said in the series - dead supes can be revived with Compound V. Then again, Stormfront would have all her limbs transplanted - I doubt her superpower can grow them back

Lesser supes required their heads blown off and/or bodies destroyed to be killed. Stormfront is an immoral (or ages extremely slowly) and got her ass kicked by Homelander for 'fun' while healing from all the injuries. I don't think she is dead. They would have shown her dead.
There's no reason for Vought to say she was still alive if they've publicly denounced her and said she was locked up.

What I would want to see, even if it's a small cameo, her locked up somewhere in a Vought facility with a broken body - lucid or not. Maybe Vought is experimenting on how now that she is helpless or trying to rebuild (I don't see why Edgar would do that though).

[PACOX]

The head blown off thing is from the comics? Can they still die from diseases naturally like A-Trains heart condition? Or is that another thing that Comics and Film handle differently.

Thinking of it, I guess the public / law enforcement would want proof. Like...see her body. So why lie about her status. (Ofc any proof could be faked)

I haven't read the comics but almost supe that died on screen had an extremely violent death. Otherwise they seem to just bounce back eventually. Even Starlight took a sniper round straight to the chest.