Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Omega10]

Yeah, any steps you take to protect yourself against Covid will also help protect you from the flu. But with so many people insisting that those protections are somehow violating their rights... who knows what the actual result will be.

There may be areas where activities taken to reduce the threat of the virus will also protect people from the flu. Wisconsin is not one of those areas.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/wisconsin...143650745.html

Title: Wisconsin is battling America's worst coronavirus outbreak, and the state's broken politics are partly to blame

Excerpts:

Look at a map of daily COVID-19 cases in the U.S. Most of the Northeast and West Coast is yellow, indicating limited spread. The numbers across the Southeast tend to be moderate, or orange. Move into the Upper Midwest and more red hot spots start to appear.

And then there’s one state that’s covered in crimson: Wisconsin.

Right now Wisconsin is battling the worst coronavirus outbreak in America. The question is why. What about Wisconsin is different from, say, the neighboring states of Michigan, Minnesota and Illinois, where the virus isn’t spreading nearly as fast?

The answer, at least in part, is politics: specifically, the brand of cavalier, it-will-go-away politics propagated by President Trump and parroted by lower-level Republicans who seem hell-bent on resisting efforts to sustain social distancing and mask wearing when the spread is still low enough to contain — and in Wisconsin’s case, who continue to resist even after infections spiral out of control.

The gist is, the virus numbers coming out of Wisconsin are bad, and this is not an accident or something random.

Next week Wisconsin officials plan to open a 530-bed field hospital at the state fairgrounds to keep COVID-19 patients from flooding heath care facilities, which Democratic Gov. Tony Evers recently characterized as being “on the brink” of collapse.

“We hoped this day wouldn’t come,” Evers lamented. “But unfortunately, Wisconsin is in a much different, more dire place today. ... There’s no other way to put it: We are overwhelmed.”

They need field hospitals to hold all of patients they have.

The most disturbing thing about Wisconsin’s outbreak is that it didn’t have to be this bad. NBC described the problem as “political trench warfare between the Democratic governor and the Republicans who control the state Legislature.” That’s technically accurate, but it also makes it sound like both sides are defending equally sensible positions aimed at preventing the spread of COVID-19.

They’re not. On the one hand, Evers has repeatedly tried to do everything in his power to contain the pandemic. On the other, Republicans have repeatedly challenged Evers’s authority and thwarted his efforts, blocking the sort of basic public-health measures other states have enacted while touting themselves as champions of “individual liberty.”

The first and perhaps most consequential of these skirmishes came in the spring, when the Legislature’s Republican leaders filed a lawsuit arguing that Evers’s “safer at home” order would leave the state’s economy “in shambles” — even though it was no stricter than dozens of other shelter-in-place orders in effect across the country. On May 13 the state’s Supreme Court, which was also controlled by conservatives, sided with the GOP and overturned the order. Evers was not pleased, telling CNN that the court’s ruling “puts our state into chaos.”

“Now we have no plan and no protections for the people of Wisconsin,” the governor said. “When you have more people in a small space — I don’t care if it’s bars, restaurants or your home — you’re going to be able to spread the virus. And so now, today, thanks to the Republican legislators who convinced four Supreme Court justices to not look at the law but [to] look at their political careers, I guess, it’s a bad day for Wisconsin.”

“It’s the Wild West,” he added.

Basically, Governor Evers, a democrat, put into place attempts to control the pandemic. Republicans turned to the courts to overrule these attempts. Republicans won the court cases.

This relentless campaign to delegitimize pandemic precautions as partisan overreach comes with a cost. It discourages compliance. It disincentivizes enforcement. And it preemptively restricts the government’s ability to address a worsening crisis.

And so basically Wisconsin right now is where Georgia was a few months ago. Georgia led efforts to make the virus as strong as possible based on the work of Governor Kemp to block virus protection policies. He has since backed off, and Georgia's numbers are getting much better.

Now, in Wisconsin, republican legislators and republican courts are continuing Kemp's work blocking anything Evers tries to do try to control the virus. They have been wildly successful in their political victories, and all of Wisconsin is paying the price. Trump's recent antics will no doubt inspire Wisconsin republicans to double down on their destructive political activities.

[Egomaniac]

There may be areas where activities taken to reduce the threat of the virus will also protect people from the flu. Wisconsin is not one of those areas.

I mean more on a personal level. Things like washing your hands, wearing masks, social distancing, etc...all work to limit the spread of the flu as well as covid.

But that does require that people actually engage in these preventative behaviours.

[DingDongKing]

Candace Owens is legitimately infectious human waste.

[s_bushido]

Candace Owens is legitimately infectious human waste.

What did she do this time?

[Elegiac]

What did she do this time?

Trump's latest Hatch Act violation is another "BLEXIT" rally being hosted by Candace Owens (who has reportedly been paying attendees to be there) at the White House, despite it being an active COVID hot spot.

[downnola]

Trump's latest Hatch Act violation is another "BLEXIT" rally being hosted by Candace Owens (who has reportedly been paying attendees to be there) at the White House, despite it being an active COVID hot spot.

They had like 200 people there and I was not surprised to see how many white people were in the crowd.

[DingDongKing]

They had like 200 people there and I was not surprised to see how many white people were in the crowd.

Was it just 200? They were claiming it was thousands. As per usual.

[s_bushido]

Trump's latest Hatch Act violation is another "BLEXIT" rally being hosted by Candace Owens (who has reportedly been paying attendees to be there) at the White House, despite it being an active COVID hot spot.

ah...well...at the very least most of them seem to have worn masks. Even if they were packed in there like sardines.

[arandomuser]

Trump endorsed by the taliban
could you imagine if the taliban endorsed obama?
but this wont effect his polls in any ways also were leaving afghanistan if trump wins so the taliban can rape pillage and murder freely and plan attacks on the west, but remember trump was the "tough on terrorism" guy
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban...raw-us-troops/

[Lanrefni]

This man, President of the United States of America, is absolutely off his fucking rocker.



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Aaaah, so that's what those blue shirts were about.

That tweet in spite of it's insane content has proper capitalization (other than the all caps loser) and punctuation,no way Trump sent it.

[Bodakane]

Trump endorsed by the taliban
could you imagine if the taliban endorsed obama?
but this wont effect his polls in any ways also were leaving afghanistan if trump wins so the taliban can rape pillage and murder freely and plan attacks on the west, but remember trump was the "tough on terrorism" guy
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban...raw-us-troops/

Game recognize game.

[Demolitia]

That tweet in spite of it's insane content has proper capitalization (other than the all caps loser) and punctuation,no way Trump sent it.

Well at the moment he is more loaded than Jordan Belfort in the Wolf of Wall Street. Short of Quaaludes. Maybe it just works for him?

[downnola]

Was it just 200? They were claiming it was thousands. As per usual.

From the photos I've seen, I'd say even 200 is pushing it. Pretty embarrassing tbh.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Not prevent, they would be protecting him. They would be there with him...

I'm sure if Trump vacationed in moscow, his security detail would trip and fall into a bad case of food poisoning resulting from being shot seven times in the back.

[DarkTZeratul]

The important thing is that if he's going to die, he needs to do it after the election. If he does it before, we'll be in an entirely new kind of chaos.

I'd go further and say "after the Electoral Collage votes."

[D Luniz]

I want to tell people again, don;t link Trump tweets. Take a screen shot or something or copy and paste the text.

Every time he gets hit on his twitter he's happy. Don't make Trump happy.

the tweets are being linked from Aaron Rupar@atrupar, a VoX journalist, so rest assured, not padding Trump's bot inflated numbers

[Kaleredar]

This man, President of the United States of America, is absolutely off his fucking rocker.



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Aaaah, so that's what those blue shirts were about.

They sure are leaning hard into "Biden is a secret tool of the RADICAL LEFT!" nonsense, an accusation that... really seems to roll right off of Biden every. Single. Time. I remember early on, before the democratic nominee was settled, that some political commenters opined that "Trump will win if he can successfully paint his opponent as a socialist." Seems Trump believes that as well.

The specific focus on Castro is kind of weird... Trump might be trying to shore up a win in Florida by attempting to enrage cuban-american immigrants living there who had fled from the castro regime against the democrats, but... it's more likely that he's just spouting off castro as a "spooky name" people are vaguely familiar with, because honestly the former plan seems a bit too tactful for him.

I do find it overall funny how much Trump attempts to draw attention to Castro, Bernie, and AOC... Castro, who is dead, and Bernie and AOC, who are not running for president. Because he can't actually attack Biden on anything.

[Redwyrm]

Because he can't actually attack Biden on anything.

well they sure do love that truncated clip of Biden saying he is going to raise your taxes. Because i have seen that in about five different ads

[kaid]

They sure are leaning hard into "Biden is a secret tool of the RADICAL LEFT!" nonsense, an accusation that... really seems to roll right off of Biden every. Single. Time. I remember early on, before the democratic nominee was settled, that some political commenters opined that "Trump will win if he can successfully paint his opponent as a socialist." Seems Trump believes that as well.

The specific focus on Castro is kind of weird... Trump might be trying to shore up a win in Florida by attempting to enrage cuban-american immigrants living there who had fled from the castro regime against the democrats, but... it's more likely that he's just spouting off castro as a "spooky name" people are vaguely familiar with, because honestly the former plan seems a bit too tactful for him.

I do find it overall funny how much Trump attempts to draw attention to Castro, Bernie, and AOC... Castro, who is dead, and Bernie and AOC, who are not running for president. Because he can't actually attack Biden on anything.

This is really the one thing about the biden run that I had not really thought about during the primaries. After all this time trump still can't really find any mud or handle that sticks to biden because he is such a known centrist nobody believes any of it.

[Kiri]

I'd go further and say "after the Electoral Collage votes."

Let's be real, unless Trump wins by a large margin, it's going to be after the Supreme Court 'votes'.