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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster Hunter View Post
    A manager isn't a coach

    He a manager of Argentinia as far as I know still is.
    I just linked you the wiki saying he is a coach in Argentina, with a link to it... what the fuck? What is truth? What ever you choose to believe? You are being extremely closed minded...

    How can it be ‘as far as you know’ when I linked that being wrong twice? How is that possible? I need you to explain...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Open to it, doesn’t mean you get to agree with people who are objectively wrong, just because they act confident.



    “You think you know it all” is your current stance of being closed minded...
    He does think he knows it all

    That why he annoys me.

    He's like the Canadian Liberal version of my nana fucking agrivating even when he's right, and infuriating when he's actualy wrong, and utterly excruciatingly obnoxious when what is right and what is wrong isnt yet known for sure.

    And that ultimately does no one any favors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster Hunter View Post
    I don't disagree.

    What i do disagree with is during a reasonable debate about two side of a sociological argument that still on going, Endus not only argues his side is empirically right, but all subsequent theory's from that base theory are right by virtue, thats where I draw the line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster Hunter View Post
    He does think he knows it all

    That why he annoys me.
    What do you call you ignoring an objective truth right now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Open to it, doesn’t mean you get to agree with people who are objectively wrong, just because they act confident.



    “You think you know it all” is your current stance of being closed minded...
    That's the thing. I am open-minded. But any open-minded position is fundamentally rooted in "show me how the facts support your view and contradict my own". That's what "open-minded" means; open to new evidence.

    It doesn't mean giving false credence to whatever cockamamie nonsense someone pushes forth. That's being gullible, not open-minded.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    That's the thing. I am open-minded. But any open-minded position is fundamentally rooted in "show me how the facts support your view and contradict my own". That's what "open-minded" means; open to new evidence.

    It doesn't mean giving false credence to whatever cockamamie nonsense someone pushes forth. That's being gullible, not open-minded.
    At this point, where he is disagreeing with reality, you’d be gullible to believe anything he posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster Hunter View Post
    He does think he knows it all

    That why he annoys me.
    Literal tone policing, lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    I just linked you the wiki saying he is a coach in Argentina, with a link to it... what the fuck? What is truth? What ever you choose to believe? You are being extremely closed minded...

    How can it be ‘as far as you know’ when I linked that being wrong twice? How is that possible? I need you to explain...
    Because I don't follow Argentinian football, but right at the top of the wiki its says he's a manager, maybe he got demoted to coach cos he was high on sniff all the time but nothing your saying makes my point invalid.

    As edges point was about non player coaches and he was a player, a cheating drug using cunt of a player, but still a player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Literal tone policing, lol.
    Fuck off with that shit.

    We can talk about the evils of tone policing when we have less idiots controlling the global narrative on subjects

    K

    Winning support for whats correct and right, I don't give a fuck if you like talking down to people but the ice caps are melting, trumps still in office, the dems went center right, bojo is pm....oh an France just started a crack down on Islam. So maybe...just fucking maybe we need to win some more support

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster Hunter View Post
    He does think he knows it all

    That why he annoys me.
    Literally never made that claim, dude. It's something you made up.

    Take your example; I wouldn't know whether an AMD or Intel processor is "best". I'd have to look that up. I know enough to build my own PC, but that's mostly "tab A into slot A" stuff. And I'll be heavily reliant on other people's recommendations as to specs. And I'd never claim otherwise.

    You see me speaking confidently about subjects I'm well-versed in because I tend not to speak confidently about subjects I don't know very well. I don't participate in the sports forums because I don't follow sports. I'm out of touch with modern pop music and don't know most of the artists who win Grammies these days. I don't participate in threads on those subjects, so you never see me express that uncertainty.

    But I do tend to look into subjects I'm interested in pretty extensively. And that's what I tend to post about, because that's what I'm interested in. I don't "know it all". I know a fair bit about these few things. Not nearly the same kind of deal.

    Edit: Also, this thread is about Facebook and social media and their supposed bias or lack thereof or whatever. It shouldn't be about my tone. I've wasted everyone's time too much defending myself here as it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster Hunter View Post
    Fuck off with that shit.

    We can talk about the evils of tone policing when we have less idiots controlling the global narrative on subjects

    K
    How about; no, because tone policing is one of the chief mechanisms by which those narratives are maintained. It's also a fallacious argument, rofl.
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    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster Hunter View Post
    Because I don't follow Argentinian football, but right at the top of the wiki its says he's a manager, maybe he got demoted to coach cos he was high on sniff all the time but nothing your saying makes my point invalid.
    How does you acting exactly as you claim Ednus does, make your point valid?

    Now that you conceded the point, Maradona is listed as the manager:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_d...grima_La_Plata

    Do your research instead of talking out of your ass... he didn’t get demoted, the two are interchangeable...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...u-need-to-know



    Sure, if you're wearing loose-knit cloth masks they're not going to be effective, but cloth face masks are absolutely recommended. They're not one of the better masks, but they're still effective.

    Why am I not surprised you're posting this. This is very much the kind of conservative pushed misinformation that Facebook has allowed.
    Yes... knowing that masks are ineffective is a conservative plot.

    One could argue most of the field of biology is as well right?

    Masks have a purpose. Do they stop or even slow the spread of infection? There isn't any proof that they do. What they do though is help people believe they are taking safe guards against something they can't physically percieve and it helps them feel less helpless . That in itself has merits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    At this point, where he is disagreeing with reality, you’d be gullible to believe anything he posts.
    So in the last thread when I was posting in support of you ?

    Litteraly, you have problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    Do they stop or even slow the spread of infection? There isn't any proof that they do.
    Stop lying.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    That’s some confidence for being wrong... you were saying about Endus?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Maradona
    I do wonder about text and sometimes what is lost in type. I think confidence can be misconstrued as conviction. Meaning I don't think you have to be right on an issue to support the ideas invovled.

    The problem is when the facts and reality don't quit match. Which leaves some with one of two options, either change their mind and gain a new perspective, or back off and reexamine ones own argument.

    Endus is one of the rare few from what I have seen rarely argues from purely personal conviction. That DOES NOT mean he is always right, but what it does mean though is that to argue with him you have to know a fuck ton or a great deal about a subject and pay attention to details.

    Again it doesn't mean he is always right but if there is a conviction about a certain position it's not going win the argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    How about; no, because tone policing is one of the chief mechanisms by which those narratives are maintained. It's also a fallacious argument, rofl.
    How about yes, because on a fucking lot of subjects, like climate change having every idiot with a mouth chime in, is doing more harm than good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    Yes... knowing that masks are ineffective is a conservative plot.

    One could argue most of the field of biology is as well right?

    Masks have a purpose. Do they stop or even slow the spread of infection? There isn't any proof that they do. What they do though is help people believe they are taking safe guards against something they can't physically percieve and it helps them feel less helpless . That in itself has merits.
    Is there no proof, or do you just not like the evidence available?

    https://files.fast.ai/papers/masks_lit_review.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster Hunter View Post
    So in the last thread when I was posting in support of you ?
    Yes, you should question everything I post... I demonstrated that a second ago...

    Litteraly, you have problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post
    I do wonder about text and sometimes what is lost in type. I think confidence can be misconstrued as conviction. Meaning I don't think you have to be right on an issue to support the ideas invovled.

    The problem is when the facts and reality don't quit match. Which leaves some with one of two options, either change their mind and gain a new perspective, or back off and reexamine ones own argument.

    Endus is one of the rare few from what I have seen rarely argues from purely personal conviction. That DOES NOT mean he is always right, but what it does mean though is that to argue with him you have to know a fuck ton or a great deal about a subject and pay attention to details.

    Again it doesn't mean he is always right but if there is a conviction about a certain position it's not going win the argument.
    He also does this thing that alot do on this forum tbf where the single out one aspect of an argument and attack it relentlessly, ignoring the rest of the argument and then hang the validity of the whole thing on the outcome of that one attack.

    Which is litteraly what felya is doing, hanging the validity of my opinions on if Maradona is currently working as a coach or manager.

    Felya is litteraly highlighting why tone and speech needs policing in debates.

    Which to bring things full circle, gets us back ontopic sort of.

  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    Yes... knowing that masks are ineffective is a conservative plot.
    Surely you can link to the data to back that up, right? What studies show that masks are ineffective? What kind of masks? Are the totally ineffective? Are cloth masks simply less effective than surgical masks or masks with filters?

    This is the kind of argument conservative posters on social media make to attempt to discredit the actual science.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    One could argue most of the field of biology is as well right?
    Is what? Ineffective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    Masks have a purpose. Do they stop or even slow the spread of infection? There isn't any proof that they do.
    https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/41...-masks-prevent

    Educate yourself, because this is shameful and embarrassing at this point in the pandemic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    What they do though is help people believe they are taking safe guards against something they can't physically percieve and it helps them feel less helpless . That in itself has merits.
    You are literally repeating debunked, dangerous, painfully wrong conservative anti-mask misinformation.

    Next you'll be telling us God would have created flesh-masks for us if we were intended to wear masks.

    Get this shit outta here.

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