Surprise? DoJ Charges Google with AntiTrust Lawsuit

[Santti]

Ok, I'm curious as to how they're going to stop Google from having a monopoly over a search engine. Are they going to like legally mandate that some people use Bing and Yahoo or something?

Nah. As Elegiac said, separate the various parts of Google into new companies. The talk is about the Google the company, not Google the search engine. I'm not sure I completely agree with Google (the company) being a monopoly, but I don't really understand this stuff that well.

[Zan15]

Nah. As Elegiac said, separate the various parts of Google into new companies. The talk is about the Google the company, not Google the search engine. I'm not sure I completely agree with Google (the company) being a monopoly, but I don't really understand this stuff that well.

man if we are so worried about consumers all of a sudden there is about 900 other companies on the list before we go after google.

how about the companies that even let me connect to google and their near strangle hold on access/internet service?

Nah lets go after something that can be fixed by typing out bing.com or clicking settings, default search, bing.com

[Logwyn]

Something something "the worst person you know just made a good point" re Barr.

Google is a monopoly tbh and it's past time they were looked at with a serious eye of being broken up. Split the search engine, email, YouTube etc. into separate companies.

Not sure they have a monopoly on search engine. Maybe a duopoly.

https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-m...tes-of-america

Browser? Maybe but what are you going to do make them start charging for it and everyone else can give theirs away for free?
https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share

Email? No.
https://www.datanyze.com/market-share/email-hosting--23

Being a monopoly isn't illegal in the US. The largest creator of monopiles in the US is the US government. Thanks to the Patient and Copyright office.

I bet someone could make the argument that having a monopoly in certain industries is almost a given as the entry into the that market is so restrictive.

[nonameelf]

Nah. As Elegiac said, separate the various parts of Google into new companies. The talk is about the Google the company, not Google the search engine. I'm not sure I completely agree with Google (the company) being a monopoly, but I don't really understand this stuff that well.

The lawsuit is about the search engine though.

[PC2]

Nah, you keep confusing conservatives and fascists.

I apologize for confusing conservatives with fascists. They're not the same thing, only maybe 1% of conservatives are fascists so they should mostly be viewed seperately and not confused together.

[Machismo]

I apologize for confusing conservatives with fascists. They're not the same thing, only maybe 1% of conservatives are fascists so they should mostly be viewed seperately and not confused together.

Nah, the issue is that people think they are different. American "conservatives" have opted for fascism.

[PC2]

Nah, the issue is that people think they are different. American "conservatives" have opted for fascism.

Well no, they would need to declare martial law or dissolve the branches of government in order to consolidate all power into Trump. That hasn't happened. You're just being paranoid.

[Machismo]

Well no, they would need to declare martial law or dissolve the branches of government in order to consolidate all power into Trump. That hasn't happened. You're just being paranoid.

Nah, I'm no fan of the Nazis... no thanks. The GOP has gone pants-on-head authoritarian.

I'm not apt to take political advice from someone who doesn't believe in the Scientific Method, and said he'd vote for Hitler.

[Elegiac]

The lawsuit is about the search engine though.

This lawsuit specifically is a moronic attempt by the right wing to extort Google for money.

I'm talking about How Do You Solve a Problem Like Mari-- I mean Google, in general. Break em up.

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Being a monopoly isn't illegal in the US. The largest creator of monopiles in the US is the US government. Thanks to the Patient and Copyright office.

I really wish y'all would learn the difference between an 'is' and an 'ought' argument.

[PACOX]

Remind me of the 2000 Microsoft anti-trust lawsuit. Whatever happened to that one? Any concrete change after the 2001 settlement? Nah. Explorer (or Edge now) is still the dominant browser on desktop and laptop computers.

Who is the victim of Google's monopoly? Bing? Yahoo? DuckDuckGo? Ask? The advertisers?

It has nothing to do with being number one. Theres tons of browsers that compete with Microsoft Edge and Edge doesn't require developers to design around them. Right now Google owns the very way the backend of websites. If you're building your site for Google Search in mind then it might as well be on the dark web. Google also dominates the market in ads, which drives their search engine.

When Google faces competition they do one or two things. They come up with a knockoff, push it at non-competitive prices, then kill the project after the other company is forced to fold, or they acquire the competition. Thus creating a monopoly. The way laws work, you can buy some of the competition, you can't buy ALL of the competition or own the instracture that all competition has to rely on.

[Xeones]

While there is a part of me that understands how Google could be investigated for that... It's coming from the most corrupt administration in US history so it's pretty suspect.

[Ivanstone]

While there is a part of me that understands how Google could be investigated for that... It's coming from the most corrupt administration in US history so it's pretty suspect.

Its like a lunatic taking an elementary school test.

You write a long unhinged rant about Obummer, Butter Emails, Soros, WuFlu and Mexcan Rapists before writing down 2+2=4. Technically, you're not wrong but your methodology is a little suspect. One the other hand we really expected you to write 2+2=5 so I guess its an improvement

[PC2]

The GOP has gone pants-on-head authoritarian.

The GOP is right wing and yeah it's based on authoritarianism and not liberty, which is lame.

I'm not apt to take political advice from someone

I wasn't giving you any political advice though.

who doesn't believe in the Scientific Method,

Correct, I don't believe in the classical scientific method. If you read Karl Popper's work you'd learn that the Baconian scientific method is wrong because it's based on empiricism and induction which doesn't exist. Karl Popper shows that science is actually based on the opposite concepts which are rationalism and deduction.

and said he'd vote for Hitler.

No, you are misremembering the conversation. I like peace and not violence, war, and genocide. Hitler's ideas are the exact opposite of what I promote.

[Elegiac]

Correct, I don't believe in the classical scientific method.

Great thing about science is it doesn't matter one whit whether or not you believe in it.

Also lol @ butchering Popper's words and thinking that his point about inductive reasoning being based off assumptions is an attack against "classical science" rather than an attack against non-parsimonious reasoning of the sort you employ every time you insist systemic racism isn't a thing and that capitalism doesn't create poverty.

[Machismo]

The GOP is right wing and yeah it's based on authoritarianism and not liberty, which is lame.


I wasn't giving you any political advice though.


Correct, I don't believe in the classical scientific method. If you read Karl Popper's work you'd learn that the Baconian scientific method is wrong because it's based on empiricism and induction which doesn't exist. Karl Popper shows that science is actually based on the opposite concepts which are rationalism and deduction.


No, you are misremembering the conversation. I like peace and not violence, war, and genocide. Hitler's ideas are the exact opposite of what I promote.

You said you'd vote for Hitler, so long as he said he'd do what you wanted.

You also are a proven liar and hypocrite, because you brush your teeth, even though you swear there's no way you could know the advantages of such things, as they prevent future issues.

[arandomuser]

lol its weird how quickly the right wing embraced socialism when socialism was the only way to keep their social values relevent
the southern strategy by admission from the people who ran the strategy wasnt about low taxes/less government for the sake of fiscal solvency, it was because of the percieved impact it had on minorities, but now the corporations and powerful are socially liberal and using that influence in the opposite direction of the 80s, *NOW* suddenly we need socialism.

now we are mixing NATiONALISM and SOCIALISM together
What could possiby go wrong when you mix these 2 ideologies together, i wonder if theres an example of it being tried, i guess we will find out if trump wins

[Draco-Onis]

No, you are misremembering the conversation. I like peace and not violence, war, and genocide. Hitler's ideas are the exact opposite of what I promote.

Do you not realize that you support a guy that told the proud boys to stand back and stand by? called for 2nd amendment solutions to Hillary Clinton? routinely calls for violence against people who criticize him? you literally supports someone who advocates for violence on a regular basis, your words ring rather hollow.

[Felya]

Remind me of the 2000 Microsoft anti-trust lawsuit. Whatever happened to that one? Any concrete change after the 2001 settlement? Nah. Explorer (or Edge now) is still the dominant browser on desktop and laptop computers.

Who is the victim of Google's monopoly? Bing? Yahoo? DuckDuckGo? Ask? The advertisers?

Google + failure will be used to demonstrate that their platform doesn’t have an inhibitive monopoly. It’s like if in the MS suite, the OS came with IE, but no one used it.

[Draco-Onis]

While there is a part of me that understands how Google could be investigated for that... It's coming from the most corrupt administration in US history so it's pretty suspect.

It's another campaign stunt for the base since they have been talking about going after big tech but lawsuits like these take years to even come close to a resolution.

[Rasulis]

They did not break IBM.

They did not break Microsoft.

They won't break Google. They'll end up settling. Just like they did with IBM and Microsoft.