Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Thepersona]

If you are truly looking for an answer to your question, you're not going to find it here. Echo chambers are not conducive for objective thinking.

You still did not answer my question. He's an obese, dumb, old man. What do you see in him?
Is the fact that he trigger teh libz so exhilarating for your ilk?

[Pipebomb]

You still did not answer my question. He's an obese, dumb, old man. What do you see in him?
Is the fact that he trigger teh libz so exhilarating for your ilk?

My initial appeal to Trump was Neo-cons/Fox news hating him pre-2016 (Cruz, McCain, Romney etc...)

[DingDongKing]

@Rozz, can you not delete the original post from the banned member so less people keep quoting it?

The entire article is based on he said she said with no actual source.

Mod Edit: Like any other post that garners attention, it's up to other users to use their own judgment when quoting others. We don't often delete posts unless they're pointedly graphic, harmful, or spam (solo images, videos, or adverts). Users were already capable of judging the sources on their own.

Aye, I understand that. @Rozz, I was actually asking because other folk seem to be getting infracted for quoting it? Or is that unrelated?

Mod Edit: Not for quoting. When warnings are given to stay on topic, trying to get the last word in and continuously replying to the offending conversation only prolongs a derail. Essentially you become a part of the problem you're trying to confront. It's why we advise people to use their own discretion and report where applicable, especially when a warning is posted. I'll leave it at that to not clutter discussion myself.

[Thepersona]

My initial appeal to Trump was Neo-cons/Fox news hating him pre-2016 (Cruz, McCain, Romney etc...)

What do you see in an obese old man? The fact that he triggers people is somehow nice for your eyes? Is your life so sad that said fact is somehow a plus?

[silveth]

There is literally not.

Just curious...

Since the Director of Intelligence, the FBI (Who have the laptop), and the DOJ have all come out and said that this is not part of a Russian disinformation campaign.
Since there is apparently other sources that have verified some of the email chains including the China ones.

Do you think maybe there is enough evidence to consider the possibility there there was some corruption involved here and that maybe...

Hey, maybe they should elect a special prosecutor to investigate?

Just curious. I mean a fake dossier was enough to do it to Trump?

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That's the proper mindset to have for this election.

Another early voting update. Since the start of early voting in TX, based on exit polls, GOP has been pulling steadily ahead by as much as 11pts on Monday. The lead was cut off to 8.9 pts on Tuesday. We'll see if the trend holds.

It is very likely that the GOP counties with the smaller voter base are hitting the point of diminishing return. On the other hand, large Democratic counties like Harris County, even at 700k early votes, is still only at 25% of eligible voters.

We shall see.

It's really to early to predict anything for anyone on either side. If they are right and they expect massive Rep turnout on Election day then we know nothing. The funny part is that media keeps talking about absentee/mail in returns from democrat/republican/independent voters. But in most states, they aren't even counted until election day. They are guessing on how those voters voted. It could be 95 percent Biden, or 80% Trump. No one really knows yet.

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Russian disinformation is the basis for the conspiracy theory. They’re not mutually exclusive. You may want to go look up what the words you used mean as you clearly don’t know their meaning.

Are you ignoring that the Director of Intelligence, the FBI (Who have the laptop), and the DOJ have all come out and said that this is not part of a Russian disinformation campaign.
There is apparently also other sources that have verified some of the email chains including the China ones.

Is the timing of the release a campaign tactic, sure. Does that make it fake? no. Two things can be true at the same time. Hence why I keep telling people to just let them investigate. If there is nothing there, then it will come out just like the Trump/Russia thing. If there is something there, then it should come out, just like Watergate.

People have to stop turning a blind eye just because of their "team" mentality.

[Adam Jensen]

As a further sign that the GOP and Trump sycophants have absolutely nothing left in the tank, they're now going after Biden for his use of Amtrak.

House GOP vows to investigate Biden for campaigning on Amtrak



They seriously want to go this route. That's how desperate they are. It's absolute "kitchen sink" territory at this point.

Okay fine. House Democrats vow to investigate Trump for campaigning from the White House. Does the GOP really wanna go down THIS route?

[Rasulis]

Just curious...

Since the Director of Intelligence, the FBI (Who have the laptop), and the DOJ have all come out and said that this is not part of a Russian disinformation campaign.
Since there is apparently other sources that have verified some of the email chains including the China ones.

Do you think maybe there is enough evidence to consider the possibility there there was some corruption involved here and that maybe...

Hey, maybe they should elect a special prosecutor to investigate?

Just curious. I mean a fake dossier was enough to do it to Trump?

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It's really to early to predict anything for anyone on either side. If they are right and they expect massive Rep turnout on Election day then we know nothing. The funny part is that media keeps talking about absentee/mail in returns from democrat/republican/independent voters. But in most states, they aren't even counted until election day. They are guessing on how those voters voted. It could be 95 percent Biden, or 80% Trump. No one really knows yet.

Numbers are based on party affiliation. Not on how they voted.

GOP voters may all decided to show up on the same day on Nov 3. We don't know. If they do, they do. Unfortunately, we don't really have any concrete basis to estimate that. Other than a few early polls. On the other hand, we do have early voting numbers as reported by states and also exit polls conducted by various firms. So that's what I am going with.

So far we have 40,503,061 early votes (30% of 2016 total vote count).

Based on reporting states with party registration data (CA, CO, CT, FL, IA, KS, KY, LA, MD, ME, NC, NE, NJ, NM, NV, OK, OR, PA, SD), the breakdown by party affiliation is 52% Dem, 26% Rep, 0.6% Minor, 21.4% NPA.

[DingDongKing]

Dear Chairman Johnson:

This responds to your letter, dated October 17, 2020, to the Federal Bureau of
Investigation (FBI) regarding the authenticity of certain information provided to your
Committee, including whether such information is linked to a foreign adversary’s influence
operation or is otherwise fraudulent. You also ask several questions about a laptop computer
reportedly produced pursuant to a grand jury subpoena.

As you may know, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence has advised the
American public that, in advance of the 2020 election, a number of nation-states plan to use
covert and overt influence measures in an attempt to sway voter preferences and perspectives,
sow discord in the United States, and undermine the confidence of Americans in our democratic
process. The FBI is the primary investigative agency responsible for the integrity and security of
the 2020 election, and as such, we are focused on an array of threats, including the threat of
malign foreign influence operations.

Regarding the subject of your letter, we have nothing to
add at this time to the October 19th public statement by the Director of National Intelligence
about the available actionable intelligence. If actionable intelligence is developed, the FBI in
consultation with the Intelligence Community will evaluate the need to provide defensive
briefings to you and the Committee pursuant to the established notification framework.

Finally, as the FBI advised the Committee in its letter, dated October 5, 2020, consistent
with longstanding Department of Justice (Department) policy and practice, the FBI can neither
confirm nor deny the existence of any ongoing investigation or persons or entities under
investigation, including to Members of Congress. As the Inspector General firmly reminded the
Department and the FBI in recent years, this policy is designed to preserve the integrity of all
Justice Department investigations and the Department’s ability to effectively administer justice
without political or other undue outside influences. Therefore, the FBI cannot provide any
additional information in response to the enumerated questions in your letter.

Thank you for your support of the FBI, its mission, and its people.

Sincerely,
Jill C. Tyson
Assistant Director
Office of Congressional Affairs

The bits in bold. They're not saying ANYTHING. It also translates to, 'James Comey doesn't work here anymore'.

[Slant]

The difference being this claim about Biden's son is still so far unsubstantiated and reeks of fake news. The whole story makes no sense. Hunter is some sort of criminal mastermind who's too stupid to encrypt his hard drive, and he travels from California all the way to Delaware to turn it in, and then forgets about it. The repairman somehow has a medical condition that keeps him from recognizing Hunter's face, yet believes it to be his laptop because of a Beau Biden sticker. Then, in order to repair for water damage, he breaches Hunter's privacy to look at the hard drive and reads the emails. Then Hunter never comes back to his laptop, which contains sensitive material that this criminal genius somehow forgot about, so the repairman goes to . . . Giuliani?

The story's credible sources are this repair guy, Giuliani and Steve Bannon. All of whom are so well known for being so truthful.

That term has lost all meaning and should not be used in this context, IMO. Since nobody opposed Trump strongly enough, it's by now synonymous with "news I disagree with".

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If you are truly looking for an answer to your question, you're not going to find it here. Echo chambers are not conducive for objective thinking.

This is true, since we all know Trump supporters haven't actually thought about it beyond "Gee, this is gonna be funny..." That's all there is to it. No logical reason other than free entertainment.

[Redwyrm]

Are you ignoring that the Director of Intelligence, the FBI (Who have the laptop), and the DOJ have all come out and said that this is not part of a Russian disinformation campaign.
There is apparently also other sources that have verified some of the email chains including the China ones.

Is the timing of the release a campaign tactic, sure. Does that make it fake? no. Two things can be true at the same time. Hence why I keep telling people to just let them investigate. If there is nothing there, then it will come out just like the Trump/Russia thing. If there is something there, then it should come out, just like Watergate.

People have to stop turning a blind eye just because of their "team" mentality.

There is less than two weeks until the election and early voting and mail in voting are well underway. If Trump/Barr are waiting for a optimum time to drop the "bomb" then that window is either closed or pretty much there.

[kaelleria]

Here's how the Trump campaign is spending it's money in the last few months of the election...

• $39 mill in legal fees
• $7.4 mill on Trump hotels
• $356 mill to unknown LLCs
• $1.6 mill on ads in DC so Trump can see them
• $218k on private jets
• $100k to buy copies of Don Jr’s book to make it a best seller

[Edge-]

Since the Director of Intelligence, the FBI (Who have the laptop), and the DOJ have all come out and said that this is not part of a Russian disinformation campaign.
Since there is apparently other sources that have verified some of the email chains including the China ones.

Do you think maybe there is enough evidence to consider the possibility there there was some corruption involved here and that maybe...

Given the story about how the hard drives were acquired, no. The DNI isn't remotely credible, but even if we take him and the FBI at their word, all they're saying is they have not determined this to be Russian misinformation. They have not discussed anything relating to whether or not the emails themselves are authentic, whether the texts are authentic, or whether any of this came from a stolen hard drive, a hacked Apple account, or anything else.

Given that Giuliani, who is the apparent source for this, has been working directly with Russian intelligence operatives (per our own IC determinations) and been engaged in a years-long attempt to smear Hunter Biden as a way to attack Joe Biden, I don't view anything he shares as remotely credible, no. Especially given that Bannon is involved in this. And for the two NY Post writers that "broke" this story, one of the writers didn't even know their name was on it and the other is an ex-Hannity staffer with close connections to Bannon and Roger fucking Stone, who has never written for NY Post before.

Hey, maybe they should elect a special prosecutor to investigate?

Just curious. I mean a fake dossier was enough to do it to Trump?

I mean...that's not an accurate portrayal of the events that led the FBI to investigate potentially illegal contacts between the Trump campaign and Russia. That was a part of it, but that was not all of it.

Nor was it what caused the Mueller investigation. Why do conservatives so often confuse and conflate different things as if they are the same?

[Rasulis]

Here's how the Trump campaign is spending it's money in the last few months of the election...

• $39 mill in legal fees
• $7.4 mill on Trump hotels
• $356 mill to unknown LLCs
• $1.6 mill on ads in DC so Trump can see them
• $218k on private jets
• $100k to buy copies of Don Jr’s book to make it a best seller

For once the GOP is losing both the small money and big money battles. Bloomberg 200M is putting its thumb on the scale in Florida pretty heavy. Then we have Future Forward, basically a bunch of Silicon Valley donors, waiting until the last two week to spend 100M that they have been banking in ads.

[kaelleria]

The mastermind behind the HuNtEr BiDeN sCaNdAl

https://www.theguardian.com/film/202...new-borat-film

Rudy Giuliani faces questions after compromising scene in new Borat film
Trump’s personal attorney has indiscreet encounter with actor playing Borat’s daughter in hotel room during pandemic

In the film, released on Friday, the former New York mayor and current personal attorney to Donald Trump is seen reaching into his trousers and apparently touching his genitals while reclining on a bed in the presence of the actor playing Borat’s daughter, who is posing as a TV journalist.

Following an obsequious interview for a fake conservative news programme, the pair retreat at her suggestion for a drink to the bedroom of a hotel suite, which is rigged with concealed cameras.

After she removes his microphone, Giuliani, 76, can be seen lying back on the bed, fiddling with his untucked shirt and reaching into his trousers. They are then interrupted by Borat who runs in and says: “She’s 15. She’s too old for you.”

[Milchshake]

The mastermind behind the HuNtEr BiDeN sCaNdAl

https://www.theguardian.com/film/202...new-borat-film

I'm always shocked how very smart people fall for Borat or Ali G. These guys also have a full team of minders and publicists, how do all of these people not know!!!

Lol @ Rudy. First his shenanigans got Trump impeached. This time he put himself in jeopardy.

Does former prosecutor Rudy know the statute of limitations on possessing child porn?

[kaelleria]

I'm always shocked how very smart people fall for Borat or Ali G. These guys also have a full team of minders and publicists, how do all of these people not know!!!

Lol @ Rudy. First his shenanigans got Trump impeached. This time he put himself in jeopardy.

Does former prosecutor Rudy know the statute of limitations on possessing child porn?

Apparently the scene in the movie is a lot worse than the article described...

[Edge-]

Apparently the scene in the movie is a lot worse than the article described...

Man, please don't hold us in suspense. I hope they post that clip early.

[Redwyrm]

Apparently the scene in the movie is a lot worse than the article described...

I am already trying to bleach out my eyes JUST from the description.

[alexw]

Just curious. I mean a fake dossier was enough to do it to Trump?

It wasn't and never has been a fake dossier no matter how often you Trumpists lie about it.

The dossier was the result of an investigate effort by the ex-head of the the UK's M15's Russia branch. Basically the person who was in charge of all espionage and intelligence gathering efforts involving Russia.

Moreover he was and still is highly regarded within the intelligence community, and much of the information in that dossier he authored has since then been proven to be true. For example, that wikileaks was being used as a front by Russian intelligence to release information they'd obtained by hacking DNC servers (as opposed to Trump's lies that Ukraine did it), and that Trump ally, Paul Manafort, was receiving secret kickback payments from Ukraine's corrupt president.

In fact little in the dossier has been disproven. Mostly its either been substantiated and proven true, or still has a question mark over it and not something that can be proven/disproven at this point in time.

Contrast that with the fake Hunter Biden laptop, the source for that is who exactly? Some diehard Trump supporter in Delaware who claims Hunter Biden came to his shop to get his laptop repaired when Hunter Biden lives 3000 miles away in California?

Either you have no contact with reality and are delusional or are deliberately peddling lies if you think this latop is Hunter Bidens.

The whole thing stinks to high heaven.

[Benggaul]

The mastermind behind the HuNtEr BiDeN sCaNdAl

https://www.theguardian.com/film/202...new-borat-film

Ugh, the GOP have already turned this into a tabloid-level mud-fest. Must we go down the same road?

Besides, I'm more interested in why Giuliani would allegedly be holding onto a laptop full of child porn for a year before suddenly deciding to hand it over in a flimsy attempt to discredit Biden right before an election.