The horde council is pathetic.

[Maljinwo]

Does a large population of Orcs view Eitrigg in this manner, especially after Sylvanas has been ousted? Not that them disrespecting him in such a manner ever made sense to begin with. He has been around since day one and never faltered in his loyalty to Thrall's Horde, unlike Nazgrim and the Kor'kron who tolerated Garrosh's tyranny, or the ones who stayed loyal to Sylvanas despite Varok and Thrall both rising against her. Any Orcs who don't understand this post-BFA are morons.

Regarding Rastakhan and Zul, how much of a difference do you think that makes to the Darkspear? The Zandalari united nearly all the rest of Azeroth's trolls against the Horde in a failed power grab. At the very least many Darkspear would hold disdain for Rastakhan for what he was seemingly responsible for. It would take time for them to accept his or his daughter's leadership.

I don't wana diss the orcs but... After Garrosh or the Iron Horde they still followed Sylvanas so...

Regarding the Zandalari, they united against everyone, not just the Horde, to claim back their ancestral lands.
However the Darkspear don't seem to hold grudges against the Zandalari. They were one of the main forces helping out the Horde in Zandalar.

Ty'jin considers them too stuck up but cool:

Da Darkspear and Zandalari got plenty of differences, true, but we got even more in common.
If da Zandalari ever get da sticks outta their bums, I think we gonna be good friends!

And Rokhan, the current Darkspear leader is really supportive of Talanji and I totally ship them


On the Zandalari side, we have Talanji claiming that she admired Vol'jin and the Darkspear

[VinceVega]

Does a large population of Orcs view Eitrigg in this manner, especially after Sylvanas has been ousted? Not that them disrespecting him in such a manner ever made sense to begin with. He has been around since day one and never faltered in his loyalty to Thrall's Horde, unlike Nazgrim and the Kor'kron who tolerated Garrosh's tyranny, or the ones who stayed loyal to Sylvanas despite Varok and Thrall both rising against her. Any Orcs who don't understand this post-BFA are morons.

Regarding Rastakhan and Zul, how much of a difference do you think that makes to the Darkspear? The Zandalari united nearly all the rest of Azeroth's trolls against the Horde in a failed power grab. At the very least many Darkspear would hold disdain for Rastakhan for what he was seemingly responsible for. It would take time for them to accept his or his daughter's leadership.

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Why do people have an issue with his sexuality, out of curiosity? It's not like the dude has been shoehorned into anything major and he is obviously going to further Shaw's story, who has lacked depth in the past. I truly can't think of any other reason people would have an issue with him other than bigotry.

Well yeah.... that's what is mean^^
Look at the old threads and the comments under the wowhead announcment. It got more comments than the expansion announcment. Same with the minor!!! gay couple in ardenweald

[Sagenod]

Well yeah.... that's what is mean^^
Look at the old threads and the comments under the wowhead announcment. It got more comments than the expansion announcment. Same with the minor!!! gay couple in ardenweald

Well you know what they say about the people who make a big issue out of sexuality!

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Regarding the Zandalari, they united against everyone, not just the Horde, to claim back their ancestral lands.
However the Darkspear don't seem to hold grudges against the Zandalari. They were one of the main forces helping out the Horde in Zandalar.

Ty'jin considers them too stuck up but cool:


And Rokhan, the current Darkspear leader is really supportive of Talanji and I totally ship them


On the Zandalari side, we have Talanji claiming that she admired Vol'jin and the Darkspear

Makes sense to me. They still aligned themselves with Lei Shen though which was bad news. That was the machinations of Zul and hardly Rastakhan anyways though right

[Ardenaso]

Sounds good to me. I am ready for another alliance genocide anyways

Ironforge has been safe for too long already; looks like they should be the next ones to go

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Rokhan also hates the Kul Tirans and he would join Talanji and Geya'rah; but it's justified given that the Kul Tirans attempted genocide on the Darkspears twice in just Warcraft 3 alone

[blankfaced]

It's not to be taken literally. Balls do produce testosteron though, which fuels masculine behaviour like aggression, strength, bravery, etc.

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Horde Council are a bunch of peace loving hippie pussies. It's the Red Alliance except the actual Alliance has more balls.

Bravery, strength and aggression are not masculine and the first two are not fueled by testosterone, just aggression. You've just attached masculinity to those traits. And for some strange reason balls.

[scrappybristol]

It won't last long anyway, my prediction is there will be a timeskip that happens while we are in the Shadowlands and when we get back both the horde and alliance will have had broken apart.

[Feanoro]

Sounds good to me. I am ready for another alliance genocide anyways

And here we have an exhibit for all you Hordies as to why you're always villain batted.

[Narwhalosh Whalescream]

The horde should be ruled by a occupation council of the alliance.

[Soon-TM]

Same with the minor!!! gay couple in ardenweald

How comes? I'm trying to not spoil myself with the individual stories of SL zones (other than the big picture, that is), but this is a real eye-catcher

The horde should be ruled by a occupation council of the alliance.

It would be a far more honest outcome tbh. And much more believable as well.

[VinceVega]

How comes? I'm trying to not spoil myself with the individual stories of SL zones (other than the big picture, that is), but this is a real eye-catcher



It would be a far more honest outcome tbh. And much more believable as well.

Sorry did not want to spoil something for you.^^

[Darth-Piekus]

Some people want a full Evil Horde Council but are they also up to accept any consequences even if those mean the end of the Horde?

[Super Dickmann]

The horde should be ruled by a occupation council of the alliance.

The values and characterization from our head honchos would be exactly the same and story-wise it'd make vastly more sense and would also lead into better stories.

[Beet]

Hahaha I agree with you Op but this was a very obvious non serious post. You purposely picked every single leader as someone dead or soon to be dead(Sylvanas). Well maybe Sark Ragetotem is alive but I’ve played Warcraft since Warcraft 2 and I don’t know who the fuck Sark Ragetotem is so my guess is he’s not important.

Thrall is great and I’m glad he’s back. But I do agree the council shit is sad. I like Warchiefs. I like WoW as it was for a decade. I want one warchief. I wish they’d just reset and leave us Thrall again for good.

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The horde should be ruled by a occupation council of the alliance.

lol thankfully the developers and designers don’t agree. I would just quit playing the game at that point. I play both factions because I like them to be vastly different. I don’t want alliance leading my horde characters. That is more than a bit retarded.

[Traveler Voltin]

The horde should be ruled by a occupation council of the alliance.

so you want another faction war?

[Beuargh]

Our current cast of leading characters is truly pathetic. They are underdeveloped, underused, underpowered and lack any sorts of investment that could draw a horde player emotionally to them.

talking about underdeveloped, underused, underpowered and lacking investment ..... Sark Ragetotem is a good one

[Super Dickmann]

Who in the sweet fuck is Sark Ragetotem anyway?

[Maljinwo]

Who in the sweet fuck is Sark Ragetotem anyway?

A warrior trainer apparently

He has no quotes
His only contribution is... Defending Thunder Bluff during the elemental invasion

[Super Dickmann]

A warrior trainer apparently

Cheers, this is a next level of obscurity. Only thing hte dude does is send you to someone else. I don't know why he didn't just cut out the middleman and go with Magatha Grimtotem. Or Jevan Grimtotem.

[Maljinwo]

Cheers, this is a next level of obscurity. Only thing hte dude does is send you to someone else. I don't know why he didn't just cut out the middleman and go with Magatha Grimtotem. Or Jevan Grimtotem.

Or... If the OP really wants the Horde to be 100% evil and keep losing wars... Shotoa

The Dark Shaman tauren at least

[LemonDemonGirl]

I want to go even crazier and want a full blown evil Horde:

Orcs - Ressurect Gul'dan
Trolls - Not even a troll leader, have Hakkar take over and let him mind control all other trolls to do our bidding
Tauren - Magatha Grimtotem probably
Blood elves - Kael’thas Sunstrider
Nightborne - Grand Magistrix Elisande
Undead - Arthas ofcourse

Having them all combined gives us our own Legion of Doom

How about bringing back Zalazane to mind control other trolls? Now that would be evil

Also for the Undead leader, we could bring back Putress