Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Endus]

And his solutions are stupid regardless of trust in the system. You have two choices: work within the system to change it including the systems themselves. This has been done literally millions of times even within the current system for women's right to vote, abortion, and more to promote the change you want. Or Violent rebellion.

You and him are likely too weak willed to follow through on the second even if you had enough widespread support which leaves the first. And I don't trust the system but unlike you and him you I know how to work it and how to promote change even if it's not as fast as I'd like. So rather than pander to idiotic rants and raves I prefer to discuss practical solutions that deal with the social and political realities we live in. I have no interest in the mental circle jerk people like you and him wish to participate in.

And the difference with me is, despite my ideological end-goals including things like "the complete deconstruction of the capitalist system" and "a comprehensive basic income and support system so that every citizen can live a comfortable life, regardless of their personal choices", I don't agree that slaughtering tens and more likely hundreds of thousands of people I disagree with is a price I'm willing to pay for that utopia that I envision. I'd rather deal with an imperfect society and nudge it ever-closer to that goal than to engage in a campaign of mass-murder of those who oppose me.

In other words; incrementalism. Because the only alternative really does boil down to killing people you disagree with en masse. What I'm willing to accept is a much broader range than what I propose as the ideal eventuality.

[Paranoid Android]

I see we have a Trumpkin in here who never said jack shit about Trump's corruption and especially how is kids were handed everything and Literally trade off the Trump name now upset about Hunter Biden.

Since I am a true Woke Independent I have never defended Hunter Biden and pointed this out all the time about rich families, yet people always give rich people a pass saying they deserve inheritance and "just pull yourself up by your boot straps" when these kids have done nothing of the sort.

It's white noise. I don't care unless Joe Biden actually did policy from corruption we have solid evidence on. His son tried to use his dad. News flash these are what people and rich people do all the time. It is how they stay rich, get more rich and stay in power.

[Donatello Trumpi]

Yeah, now that a couple generations of people's life's have been destroyed and he wants to win the presidency. He spoke out pretty definitely for it at the time. Yet past policy decision don't ever matter apparently.

"You know this guy that spent 47 years in politics and has a racist legacy crime bill, which ruined many poc lives, to show for it? He said sorry so vote for him over the other guy who caused record black and hispanic unenmployment!"

What an absolute clownshow

[Felya]

I had huge issue with the Trump's kids as much as Biden's family. Yet I don't defend Ivanka, Eric, or the others. The only one I do defend is Barron because he is a child.

You explicitly defend them, by attacking Hunter Biden. If you cared, you would comment on how ludicrous it is for Trump to even bring up Hunter Biden. Instead, you form your whole argument on it.

[Endus]

That is your right, but personally I find that a worthless endeavor. My own conclusion is that only the latter choice can be the solution, despite however much I'd like that peaceful change would be an option.

I would wish that our politicians that pretend to be all about "dignity", "honor" and "respect" are indeed about that. How great it would be to see such virtues to be real again, instead of just lies and pandering. Part of me still hopes, believes that the world and 'the system' isn't as rotten as it is, but I do not have that hope. So rather than pander to idiotic naivety and idle hopes, I prefer to discuss real solutions. I have very little interest in being pulled into the mental circle jerk of people who were simple enough to let the wool be pulled over their eyes and whose only worldview is the one that is repeated on corporate-owned television.

So when are you going to start shooting people until you get your way?

I want to be clear whether you actually believe this horseshit, or if you're just puffing yourself up about things you'll never actually put into practice.

If you're waiting for someone else to start the rebellion for you, you don't actually believe this shit. It's empty braggadocio.

[Felya]

"You know this guy that spent 47 years in politics and has a racist legacy crime bill, which ruined many poc lives, to show for it? He said sorry so vote for him over the other guy who caused record black and hispanic unenmployment!"

What an absolute clownshow

You do know that Trump has been president for 3+ years and reversed parts of Obama’s justice reform, than took credit for those he couldn’t. Biden didn’t post “white power” a couple of months ago either...

Oh and he is voting Biden... it’s a fair assumption that he would be one of yours... it’s obvious to us all as well...

[shimerra]

"You know this guy that spent 47 years in politics and has a racist legacy crime bill, which ruined many poc lives, to show for it? He said sorry so vote for him over the other guy who caused record black and hispanic unenmployment!"

What an absolute clownshow

Trump literally ruined lives in his businesses including when he paid himself a massive salary while he tanked a casino, which by the way all his competition even the idiots were making money hand over fist, and then put his personal debts on to the business's balance sheets using his nice golden parachute to loot the business he killed leaving employees and investors fucked because of his incompetence. Yet you voted for him because of his good business sense.

[Edge-]

"You know this guy that spent 47 years in politics and has a racist legacy crime bill, which ruined many poc lives, to show for it? He said sorry so vote for him over the other guy who caused record black and hispanic unenmployment!"

What an absolute clownshow

So why hasn't Trump fixed it in the past 4 years, then?

[shimerra]

That is your right, but personally I find that a worthless endeavor. My own conclusion is that only the latter choice can be the solution, despite however much I'd like that peaceful change would be an option.

I would wish that our politicians that pretend to be all about "dignity", "honor" and "respect" are indeed about that. How great it would be to see such virtues to be real again, instead of just lies and pandering. Part of me still hopes, believes that the world and 'the system' isn't as rotten as it is, but I do not have that hope. So rather than pander to idiotic naivety and idle hopes, I prefer to discuss real solutions. I have very little interest in being pulled into the mental circle jerk of people who were simple enough to let the wool be pulled over their eyes and whose only worldview is the one that is repeated on corporate-owned television.

Yet you don't find your own mental wankery useless. Strange. I don't quite care what you find a useless endeavor because what you're doing has been shown to be 100% useless and ineffective while I cited just a few of thousands of historical examples showing my method, and violent rebellion, work. So unless you're willing to take up arms kindly let the people who know what they're doing do the work for you. You seem inclined to do so anyway.

You are quite literally more damaging to the causes you claim to support than helpful and at this point your head is not just wrapped in wool but incased in lead so you really have no room to judge others for an ignorance you have long since outmatched them on. Well continue being useless while the rest of us effect the change you claim to desire. I refuse to pander to your idiotic naivety and idiotic hopes and your real solutions are less useful than the dog shit I wiped off my shoe after checking the mail.

[Felya]

So why hasn't Trump fixed it in the past 4 years, then?

Because he was too busy reversing Obama’s and taking credit for those he couldn’t.

[Felya]

I believe in the horseshit more than I believe in anything

Hey, we agree!

[Rasulis]

Bad News for the US and especially Trump's base.

Covid is spiking hard in rural areas.


Disproportionately the types of areas where Republicans are hoping for big election day turn out. This could affect that.

The GOP turning mask wearing into a Culture War might sink them.

Hospitals across the Upper Midwest and the Mountain West are feeling the surge. Facilities are struggling with capacity, and in some cases residents are finding that the nearest hospital with available beds is hours away, or in another state.

Word is, they will be airlifting covid patients from northern ID into Seattle now.

WTH? California is blank.

[Donatello Trumpi]

So why hasn't Trump fixed it in the past 4 years, then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Step_Act
It takes a while to clean Bidens mess though.

[shimerra]

Thanks for giving those in need the scraps and believing yourselves useful and real heroes for it.

Anyway, this is veering a bit off-topic now.

It sure beats your absolute giant bucket of nothing since again you're unable or unwilling to commit to a violent radical overthrow of those you disagree with. If it were up to you women would still not be able to vote and slavery would still be discussed. Not because you desire those outcomes but because you're so bad at finding solutions/promoting the change you claim to want. You'd prefer to judge and feel superior than actually attempt to effect change, even if it is slowly, and because of that your useless opinions and naivety can be safely ignored while you judge those who actually do.

[Felya]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Step_Act

You are claiming it’s fixed? What?

[Endus]

I believe in the horseshit more than I believe in anything, more than religious person would believe in their own god, that only by destroying the current system you can create a fairer one based on virtues such as: honesty, justice and equality.

What am I waiting for? The right time and the right plan by the right people.

In other words, you don't believe it, because you aren't willing to risk your personal comfort within the status quo to achieve the goals you speak about.

That's sort of my point.

Your question is like asking a scientist in the middle-ages what he's waiting for to start convincing the world that God isn't real.

Science doesn't argue that God isn't real, to begin with. Plenty of scientists having faith in some divine being or another. And frankly, yeah. We don't take historical figures too seriously when their voiced opinions conflict with their choice of action. Take Ayn Rand, for a more-recent example; she was the origin of Objectivism, the pure "sweat of your own brow" type philosophy, but she had no problem whatsoever living off government support, herself. Because she didn't actually believe her own bullshit. You can tell, because she did not practice what she preached.

Nor do you. All talk, no action. Meanwhile, us incrementalists are taking action, and getting stuff done. Nudging things in a better direction is a hell of a lot more useful than sulking at home and accomplishing nothing in the process.

[Paranoid Android]

Again another Trumpkin worried about a talking about a crime bill when if you just look at this person's post history he must have all sudden had a Come to Jesus Moment.

The crime bill was bullshit and effected minorities in a huge disproportionately way. Yet, I see many in here always say "don't commit crimes" or "you know this X people commit more crime than others".

Taking credit for unemployment rates that were trending down since 2011 roughly. Trump was the benefactor. Guess who has the highest unemployment rates now in these times. African Americans and Hispanics. Also unemployment is not the end all be all.

[Milchshake]

WTH? California is blank.

Except the rural parts. People dont seem to be practicing correct social distancing around that one stoplight in Alturas .
Slightly worse further down 395 in Bishop. I think the problem there is, they have 2 stoplights.

[Endus]

Okay, why should I do anything yet? If you're getting it all sorted? All is well in the world then isn't it?

You're the one who argued that change was impossible without mass-murder.

I'm just asking you why you feel comfortable saying shit like that, when you make it clear you won't ever actually do anything about it.

Views you won't take action on are just empty noise. You don't even believe in it enough to put it into practice.

I'll be sure to let the next few hundred thousand people that starve from lack of healthcare in the USA know that change is slowly on the way at some point in the future! Go you! Three cheers for yourself and a pat on the back from Pelosi.

I can't do much about the USA. I can, and have, made contributions here in Canada, through policy recommendations.

But at least I'm trying to achieve something. You're just wanting to pat yourself on the back for your choice to do absolutely nothing. That's the point; it's empty rhetoric. I don't believe you actually agree with what you're saying, because you're not actually willing to take action on any of it.

If you're not willing to take action, it's because the status quo is better than your alternative.

[Paranoid Android]

You are claiming it’s fixed? What?

Since this person is too lazy to post comments (Isn't this against forum rules, just linking web sites?). Here.

is a bipartisan criminal justice bill passed by the 115th Congress and signed by President Trump in December 2018. The First Step Act, among other changes, reforms federal prisons and sentencing laws in order to reduce recidivism, decrease the federal inmate population, and maintain public safety.[1]

What's this? Bipartisan? Where all 47 Democrat Senators vote "Yes" and 12 Republican Senators voted "No".