Yes for the uber raiders who are the top %.
But for the rest of us?
Would you really play a unfished wow expansion. With most likely a lot of bugs, patches and full servers. Or play 1 of the other games/consoles.
Again i do think a lot of people will play shadowlands. hell even i will switch between the games. But pushing it back a bit, will give them time to complete it/iron out the bugs. And get more players into the game.
And you know that how? For all you know, they have a date in mind, but won't announce it until they absolutely have to in order to avoid having to announce another delay if something goes wrong. They still have time before they have to announce a December release because pre-patch is already out and the only thing left to release before that is the pre-patch event. They don't have to announce anything until one week before the pre-patch event will be released. Late November, early December is NOT off the table and is still the likely outcome.
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I have heard of Cyberpunk. So what? Where is it written that nobody is allowed to release their game at the same time. Blizzard is under the gun to get it out this year. Cyberpunk is completely irrelevant to when they decide to release the game.
They are up against games regardless and most of those that will be playing Shadowlands already pre-ordered. THe money has already been made. Delaying it a second time to avoid those games will cost them more money as those pre-orders will need to be refunded.And your: but in 2021 there are also games. Yes, hitman 3 in januari , and farcry 6 in februari. So thats 2 whole games, and would even argue that hitman will and is a great game. But its a more niche game then the other games. If you read my list ( the part you did not qoute) you see if they launch shadowlands near the end of november/early december they will be up against 3 HUGE AAA hype titles and 2!!!!!!! freaking new console's ( with games on them 2). Hell even final fantasy has a launch in december i think.
Those games are irrelevant to WoW and the devs decision making here. As I said, they will release it this year to stave off more lost pre-orders. Those are far more important than actually playing the game right away.This all does not mean they should not, or should release it. Or that its stupid or smart. I am just saying, the competition is extremly heavy. And every fault they launch with because they want to rush it and launch it with all these titles. Will make the game look more broken next to all this big as gaming titles.
Wow. But that is irrelevant. I pre-ordered the game. What is the better ooption, kjeeping my pre-order by releasing it in 2020 as they have continued to say it will be, or lose it because they delayed it yet again because they didn't want to release with those games? I know which one Blizzard will pick. Also, how do you know the game will not be ready if released in December? For all you know it will be released in December and be a great launch.Let me put it this way: if you could play valhala, cyberpunk or 1 of the 2 new consoles or watch dogs legion or a broken, not really done product called shadowlands...what will you choose?
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They already have. All official sources say "Coming in 2020".
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What if they have the bugs ironed out by December? You are making an unsubstanited claim that the game will not be complete if released in December. That is a major assumption not currently founded in reality.
Really common misconception, it doesn't apply to digital pre-orders since you have it on your account, it's just not activated. The law you are citing from only applies for physical orders such as the hard copy collectors edition.
Nintendo already won their court battle which is easily googled, the eurogamer article is most straight forward. There's absolutely no legal recourse anyone in the EU can presently take against Blizzard for not activating Shadowlands in 2020. To save face, they have already offered refunds to everyone anyway but they didn't and couldn't be forced too.
To further cement this they sold game time with the shadowlands pre-order which you agreed to activate straight away. Nobody has any case against them.
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Sigh. White Hamster was talking about blizzard quarterly profits. As a whole. Wow is not the highest performing mau-wise.
Do not jump in when you haven’t READ the conversation.
Which btw she was wrong. It was steadily declining until Shadowlands news. Duh. It always spikes during this period. The trend is downhill. Always has been.
Bring me proof that BfA was the saving grace of WoW. Show me that, during its entire run, maus have steadily increased. Q4 news is bunk. It’s just hype for shadowlands.
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First off dude relax its my opinion. Not facts, i am not jezus and not hating or something on you. So relax
This is a friendly thread about if its until spring if thats smart. No one is trying to force anything. You really come off very agressive.
Relax, i am not saying they are relevant. I am saying they could be. It does not make that much sense to launch 3 AAA titles , 2 consoles, and 1 mmo expansions in a matter of 3 weeks. Not even talking about games like spider man miles morales etc
Not saying they can not do it. Or there is a law against it. Hell for all i care they launch 60 games at the same time.
But WoW has been struggling for years. Its still fun, i still play it. But everyone knows it is not on its best leg right now. And they delayed it, because it was not done yet. So all i am saying is: why launch a title that might not be 100% ready vs some really REALLY big players. If a month later you have little to no competition and most of the big stuff has been out a month. Gives them time to make it better.
Yes they are against games. So let me make it real clear...from the second week of november ( 17th) until the first week of december. there are 3/4 big games, 2 consoles with metric ton of games. A month later, most of that has been released and played already. Again....not saying they must, do etc. Just if i was running a marathon to win. I would not start the same race as usian bolt, if there is a option to start a month later with a bigger chance to win.
Yes that is a option why the should release it ( the refund stuff). Think that is one of the things they need to look at. And its common for games to be delayed. Hell blizzard has done it to WoW before. So its not that they have not done it.
Again they have delayed it before, if the quality was not up to par. And i am not saying they ARE relevant, i am saying they MIGHT be relevant.
And yes , losing pre orders might be a reason. But they will mostlikely have a staff meeting, and finance people look at what is smart. You and i do not work for blizzard. So we do not know what there logic might be.
Thats what this thread is about.
Its not, its a valid question. Do you want to play a broken game, or a whole game.
And if you waited a long time for a pre order, 1 more month will not hurt you. or anyone else.
And you know what blizzard will pick? good for you.
But beware they have delayed it before. I hope for you they launch it in december, you really seem keen on it.
And again, why do you think i think that for 1000000% it will not launch in december. I have said it many times...its a guess, a opinion.
And pre order games and delays are very normal btw.
For the love of god. Yes it might launch in december. It might not. I am just saying, it might be a good idea to delay it just a tad longer.
I am not claiming anything, and i think that is the problem with you. You asume i CLIAM things. Its a thread about a launch date discussion.
Please point out where i say: i know for 100% sure it will be delayed, i claim that it will come out later, i am right you are wrong...please show me where it typed it?
And the reality part is a bit cruel. Really why so much hate? And its what i am trying to show, it might be delayed, they have done it before. Hell shadowlands has already been delayed once. And yes its not founded in reality...because we do not know what is going on, hench the discussion.
And btw.......they have delayed it without giving a offical new launch date. So your whole....anger is because of a second delay. Thats kinda hard if the first delay does not have a end date.
So to be VERY clear. I do not hate you, think that your are stupid, or anything else.
What i am saying is guess work, with some facts that in the last 30 years that i have played games this has happend before. Even from this developer. Hell they cancelled the same game TWICE. I am not all knowing. I am just guess/opinion/common sense that launching in a very busy few weeks might not be the smartest move on their part, and might be a reason for a delay.
For instance. If they really want to launch it this year. I would guess it would be around end first week december, start 2nd week december. Then the first raid can be still be played just after new year.
So? WoW is still a large generator of revenue for Activision Blizzard. MAU count being lower then other IP owned by Actvision Blizzard doesn't change that. The franchise is not in trouble. The various filings over the past year have shown a steady increase including a large increase attributed to the pandemic and not Shadowlands news. BfA despite the claims of vocal critics was not terrible.
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
I'm not a uber raiders. I'm someone who enjoy the game. The state of the Beta is pretty good actually atm. If they release it in december ( so, in one month ) it'll be perfect.
There was and their will be bug anyway, and those bug will wait. ( like the tortollan WQ in BfA for example. )
Same was said for vanilla into tbc, same was said for tbc into wotlk, same was said for wotlk into cata, same was said for cata into mop, same was said for mop into wod, same was said for wod into legion, same was said for legion into bfa, same is said for bfa into shadowlands
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
HOW DOES CORONA AFFECT CODING? Oj wait greed, commercial greed, ye thats it u shitters
You don't have to have the highest MAU in order to make money. WoW is still a large part of the revenue stream of Activision Blizzard. For example Quarter 2 of 2020 results were net revenue of $461 million for Blizzard with a 20% growth driven by WoW. King was $553 million and they have 271 million MAU. It isn't just about having the highest number of MAU. You can deny it all you want but WoW is not at risk and still is a big contribution to the company.
It certainly doesn't lose money as you seem to be implying.
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
well i wasnt reacting to whole conversation, i dont have to, and its completely irrelevant to what i asked... you said WoW had decline in BFA and as "proof" you gave SINLGE number that was showing wow MAUs (actualy not only wow MAUs, but from all of bliz, so its pretty useless anyway) and numbers for other games...
HOW THE HELL does SINGLE NUMBER shows decline? how?
and im not even saying BFA wasnt a decline for wow, it might be (although people always complain and seldom leave, and tbh there seemed to be far more people than in WOD), just there is no way to show decline with ONE value, you need multiple to compare... (and it would be helpful if that values didnt include at least two other games which afaik receive no content in the meantime, so they might be actual reason of potential decline in MAUs)...
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<3 100% this. Like actually no delay yet lol. People bitching way to hard and the day of the launch hasn't even happen yet. Like when Mid November hits is probably when we hear any news. Which is fine. The Xpack needed this big time and as a long time player since beta V I'm fine. Everyone giving hell on 6month is a joke. Like I sub every 6months so a free item is fine even when it's shit.