What's Happening in New Zealand?

[Endus]

Oh yeah why do all these people from the third world have to jump the wall or row in inflatable boats across the Mediterranean? They should just be smart like you and take a plane, right?

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Do you think New Zealand lies somewhere in the Mediterranean?

[postman1782]

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Do you think New Zealand lies somewhere in the Mediterranean?

Are you honestly surprised?

[postman1782]

He's talking about people going across the mexico border and people rafting to Europe across the Mediterranean. Completely unaware of why that happens.

In a thread about nz.

Wait, is the Russian education system really that bad?

[Yadryonych]

He's talking about people going across the mexico border and people rafting to Europe across the Mediterranean. Completely unaware of why that happens.

In a thread about nz.

In a thread about NZ, the country where populists have no ground.
The country that has no immigration issue that largely enabled populists and right wingers of all kind over the recent years both in Europe and USA.

Surprisingly, populists aren't winning in such a nice country and the greatest pundits of the genot wonder why

[Elegiac]

In a thread about NZ, the country where populists have no ground.

Which has a lot more to do with the fact that New Zealand is fairly unique among English speaking countries in that Rupert Murdoch's media empire has limited presence there.

The country that has no immigration issue

More of the "only ethnostates can have domestic harmony" bullshit, huh?

It's also false. New Zealand has plenty of demographic tensions but magically hasn't resorted to fascism.

[Acidbaron]

In a thread about NZ, the country where populists have no ground.
The country that has no immigration issue that largely enabled populists and right wingers of all kind over the recent years both in Europe and USA.

Surprisingly, populists aren't winning in such a nice country and the greatest pundits of the genot wonder why

Since when is populism limited to the right?

Also you might want to read up on NZ politics before making such statements as you are simply injecting your personal believes into this thread. Sorry but i am really struggling to follow what point you are trying to make here as it reads more like a general rant about populists, what is a rather large group in many that can hold different political believes.

[Kaleredar]

Oh yeah why do all these people from the third world have to jump the wall or row in inflatable boats across the Mediterranean? They should just be smart like you and take a plane, right?

The majority of illegal immigrants in the US arrive legally and overstay work visas.

Yes, on things like airplanes. Which they have in New Zealand.

And, once again, illegal immigrants... almost a complete non-issue in the US.

[Waniou]

In a thread about NZ, the country where populists have no ground.
The country that has no immigration issue that largely enabled populists and right wingers of all kind over the recent years both in Europe and USA.

Surprisingly, populists aren't winning in such a nice country and the greatest pundits of the genot wonder why

You have no idea what you're on about.

One of the main political parties for the last couple of decades (who failed to get a seat in this election) is New Zealand First. A big part of why they were popular was their anti-immigration stances, particularly against the Chinese.

While illegal immigration isn't really that much of a political talking point in New Zealand, it is still an issue, as someone says, with people overstaying visas and so on (Which is also one of the most common forms of illegal immigration in the US from what I've read).

Also, yes, we do take a lot of refugees on and that's another big political talking point quite often.

[postman1782]

You have no idea what you're on about.

One of the main political parties for the last couple of decades (who failed to get a seat in this election) is New Zealand First. A big part of why they were popular was their anti-immigration stances, particularly against the Chinese.

While illegal immigration isn't really that much of a political talking point in New Zealand, it is still an issue, as someone says, with people overstaying visas and so on (Which is also one of the most common forms of illegal immigration in the US from what I've read).

Also, yes, we do take a lot of refugees on and that's another big political talking point quite often.

It is, over 50% of our illegal immigrants come by plane and just overstay visas. The people pushing for the border wall are doing it for racist purposes.

[Mihalik]

"Immigration issue"? It's almost impossible to move to a lot of countries in Europe if you're not from another European country.

It's almost impossible to get into the EU in general.

I'm an American who lucked out with inheriting an EU passport so I could always live and work here easily.

Other Americans I know who only have their US passport have to jump through the same hoops as literally someone from Nigeria to actually live here legally.

I live in Madrid Spain and there's an infamous immigration office here which is known for its impossible to obtain appointments, stonewalling and utterly unhelpful bureaucrats, endless paper work and hours long queue times. Visa extensions are a nightmare and overstaying your visa can easily land you 2-3 year long entry bans and overnight deportations. Immigration attorneys cost small fortunes.

Funny enough people from most Latin American countries typically have an easier time due to various bilateral treaties thag Spain has with its former colonies, but those exemptions only apply within Spain. So someone from Mexico or Venezuela might get a work visa for Spain, but it only applies to Spain and nowhere else in the EU.

Other colonial powers like France, Portugal, Belgium, UK have similar agreements with many of their former colonies. But the notion that getting into the EU is easy is hilariously retarded.

The refugees, immigrants, boat people etc are a tiny tiny tiny group and typically have walked/rafter across thousands of miles of deserts, warzones and rough seas.

[Adam Jensen]

No because New Zealand's economy is based on the private means of production(AKA capitalism). I suppose you could say it's for pragmatic leftists but it's certainly not for left wing idealists.

This may come as a surprise to you, and a great many conservatives on this forum, and a great many conservatives in general but . . . leftism != socialism.

Not every socialist is an anti-capitalist. Some are, some are not. Most are not. At least, not in the US. The true socialists out there don't have representation in congress and are a fringe minority.

Now some people, like Bernie style themselves as "social democrats." But even Bernie says that production should be in the hands of enterprise, or, capitalists. People like him, and AOC, still see a capitalist world, but try to find methods to limit the abuses unfettered capitalism can lead to. That doesn't mean they aren't capitalists.

You'll have actual trouble finding any communists or socialists in the US who have any significant influence.

[PC2]

This may come as a surprise to you, and a great many conservatives on this forum, and a great many conservatives in general but . . . leftism != socialism.

Exactly yeah, there's no need for leftists to support socialism since they are not the same thing.

Not every socialist is an anti-capitalist. Some are, some are not. Most are not. At least, not in the US. The true socialists out there don't have representation in congress and are a fringe minority.

Now some people, like Bernie style themselves as "social democrats." But even Bernie says that production should be in the hands of enterprise, or, capitalists. People like him, and AOC, still see a capitalist world, but try to find methods to limit the abuses unfettered capitalism can lead to. That doesn't mean they aren't capitalists.

You'll have actual trouble finding any communists or socialists in the US who have any significant influence.

Again that's good that "most" socialists are not anti-capitalists. You'll probably get flak if you make these points to a socialist group and i'm not exactly sure why you think I would have a problem with any of these claims.

[JohnBrown1917]

This may come as a surprise to you, and a great many conservatives on this forum, and a great many conservatives in general but . . . leftism != socialism.

Not every socialist is an anti-capitalist. Some are, some are not. Most are not. At least, not in the US. The true socialists out there don't have representation in congress and are a fringe minority.

Now some people, like Bernie style themselves as "social democrats." But even Bernie says that production should be in the hands of enterprise, or, capitalists. People like him, and AOC, still see a capitalist world, but try to find methods to limit the abuses unfettered capitalism can lead to. That doesn't mean they aren't capitalists.

You'll have actual trouble finding any communists or socialists in the US who have any significant influence.

Socialism is anti-capitalist by defintion, Bernie and AoC are social democrats, not socialists.

[Ripster42]

But when a disaster broke your door and your roof, the new door comes before the new roof

There aren't really statements less informed than this. The important thing is literally a roof over your head so it doesn't rain on you while you sleep. Even without a disaster the roof comes before the doors when you're building a house. I don't know where you were going with this analogy, but it's a stupid analogy.

[SirBeef]

The majority of illegal immigrants in the US arrive legally and overstay work visas.

Yes, on things like airplanes. Which they have in New Zealand.

And, once again, illegal immigrants... almost a complete non-issue in the US.

Of course it's really a non issue. If it were, the republicans wouldn't be making a fuss over it.

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The USA could be more like New Zealand, if they stop voting for conservatives like Biden and far-right extremists (everyone right of Biden).

Boo hoo, no one is as left as me, boo hoo.

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This may come as a surprise to you, and a great many conservatives on this forum, and a great many conservatives in general but . . . leftism != socialism.

Not every socialist is an anti-capitalist. Some are, some are not. Most are not. At least, not in the US. The true socialists out there don't have representation in congress and are a fringe minority.

Now some people, like Bernie style themselves as "social democrats." But even Bernie says that production should be in the hands of enterprise, or, capitalists. People like him, and AOC, still see a capitalist world, but try to find methods to limit the abuses unfettered capitalism can lead to. That doesn't mean they aren't capitalists.

You'll have actual trouble finding any communists or socialists in the US who have any significant influence.

Do you really expect PC2 to understand this? Or any of the regular conservative shitposters here?

[JohnBrown1917]

Of course it's really a non issue. If it were, the republicans wouldn't be making a fuss over it.

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Boo hoo, no one is as left as me, boo hoo.

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Do you really expect PC2 to understand this? Or any of the regular conservative shitposters here?

Wanting things to mprove things somewhat, how dare he!

[Machismo]

And protected from massive influx of immigrants by the Ocean

Well, thanks for once again showing your racism and xenophobia.

[Rozz]

This thread isn't about the US or Europe, stay on topic.

[DingDongKing]

This thread isn't about the US or Europe, stay on topic.

Also be nice if people were less racist and not blaming immigrants for everything.

[Felya]

Also be nice if people were less racist and not blaming immigrants for everything.

They don’t understand the brain drain part of immigration. Which makes sense, if you think about it. Why would these people care if scientist and doctors leave for New Zealand?